In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn’t feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
Tesla’s run on Linux and have already been jailbroken, the future is now.
Can’t wait till a nefarious actor hacks it.
Reminds me of that movie on Netflix I just watched - leave the world behind, this happens
The crack was done because of a flaw in the AMD CPU and not the Linux component. My understanding is it’s only good for temporary override of the subscription enforcement.
Can’t wait till it gets brought to a service station and Tesla intentionally bricks it
Curfew? Do you live in a warzone?
To find a car and control it remotely will need a server. That’s why it’s not free.
it looks like only way is to somehow imitate their API and change those links in the car. I think it would be cool to selfhost such server.
The car costs a lot of money and they already give you wareanty, free service and will in one way or another milk you for years to come. I don’t think one more connection to a server costs this much.
Especially since all the „telemetry” is uploaded for free.
It’s the cell plan not the server costs unfortunately. When they moved to app based starting from anywhere you need to start paying the cell carrier for that wireless connection.
Servers and engineers to maintain the software and infrastructure are also not free.
Sure, but not $60/year per car expensive
No, that’s still mostly the cellular connection.
These features require the cloud, which costs money and uses carbon. If you don’t want them, as many don’t, you shouldn’t have to force the company to price them in at the purchase.
These features require the cloud
No they don’t. You can use WiFi. Or Bluetooth. Or 433Mhz radio.
If you’re in range for these to work, the fob will also turn the car on. These features are useful if you park at a public place or on a large campus.
What if you don’t have a fob?
Can you get remote start/climate without a subscription though? Because those do not need the cloud.
Subaru offer a certain set of keys for it iirc. Their software is absolute garbage though. Either get an older model or one with physical AC controls.
If the remote can do it with a local signal, yes, but that’s not the feature in the picture, which uses the app I think.
Install a modchip, or as we used to call them a “remote starter” lol
I’m sure someone still makes a product that you can splice into the wiring harness. And if they don’t… There’s a market for it
How remote are we talking about?
The care package with roadside assistance seems reasonable, though your insurance usually already cover road assistance. The plus package is insane though, they charge that much just to enable remote start via their app?
Time to begin the era of the DYI automobile. Buy a number of ~30v, high amperage batteries, an electric motor, jury rig the thing to a drivetrain and presto!
Roadside assistance doesn’t even make sense as a subscription. And, for that price, none of them do.
Simple. Buy an older car and spend the extra money maintaining it. Reducing demand is the only language consumers have that businesses understand.
It doesn’t have to be ancient; even 5-10 year old cars don’t have this bullshit.
Just don’t buy a 5-10 year old Kia or Nissan. Nearly every one on the road is going to have their engine sieze or transmission have issues
While I’m generally against subscriptions, for the most part the above are things that require cellular service and cloud infrastructure…
While the price may be too high. I’m normally ok with subscriptions for things that have on-going costs to the seller.
We should be able to self host the servers and choose the cellular service like i can on my phone then
or… we just need more FOSS alternatives to the car manufacturers proprietary OS.
I already see GH issues like: “breaks stop working when going above 200mph.”
For $120 a year the Kia boys can total your car anyway!
The only problem with services as a subscription is THE FUCKING IDIOTS THAT PAY FOR THEM
If nobody fell for shit like that, manufacturers would drop it like boiling diarrhea
you should absolutely choose a vehicle without subscriptions, and make a point of stating it at time of purchase
this is your one moment to make a difference
Not until my 2007 Tundra literally collapses into a pile of rust and plastic. Hopefully it’s not too late by then.
Agreed.
No, you should choose a vehicle with but steal it and pirat the subscription software.
LOL how does one go about that, exactly?
Do you walk into the dealer and state affirmatively “I am not buying a car here because I don’t want a subscription!” and then turn around and walk out?
Won’t matter. The company knows you don’t want this. They also know that enough other people will pay for it that it won’t matter. These subscriptions are not new. If people put their foot down and refused to pay for them they would go away, but the opposite it happening.
Sorry.
If you can, get an eBike. Cars need a ton of expensive resources. No matter what car you get, you’re basically renting it for $10k/yr anyway. Bikes can be fixed with a small set of tools in a living room without thousands of dollars of diagnostic equipment.
If you can’t do a bike because of distance, consider a motorcycle. That’s at least a little more free than a car. Cars are the worst.
I don’t think either one is viable for families, but possibly for single folks, depending upon proximity to urban areas. For folks in the sticks with unpaved roads? I don’t think so.
Yeah, I have two kids. We used an eBike in the US. The Dutch would find your comment absolutely hilarious. We do not own a car and haven’t needed one since we moved to the Netherlands. The problem is that you have a proprietary transit infrastructure that forces you to use property cars. Infrastructure is your vendor lock in.
The majority of car trips are under one mile and have one passenger. In the vast majority of cases you can replace a car with an eBike.
This just reminds me of someone else saying something like every time you suggest a car replacement suddenly everyone needs to carry a couch 300 miles in the snow.
It is not possible to be free while you have a car. But yeah, some times your forced in to that by the complete failure of American infrastructure. Cars continue to be your worst option, even if you’re forced to use them.
Even in Europe cars are a necessity in a lot of cases. I live in a pretty small village and the only store is 2 towns over and on a pretty steep hill. It would be possible on a motorcycle(I saw normal ebikes struggle to get up) if you’re alone and don’t need anything from the store.
I wish we had better infra to support bikes. Amsterdam is nice how you can ride around on a bike and get anywhere. It’s healthy, environmentally friendly, and cheap. Win win win.
I wish you did too. The only way to get it is to fight like hell for it.
I just Googled and the 2024 Telluride has an MSRP of ~$55,000 in my area, used 2023 models are about ~$45,000.
Looking at an auto loan calculator, that’s between $700 and $900 per month with a 96 month 9% auto loan.
Point is, if you can afford the car you’re probably not worrying about the subscription except on principle. If you can afford the car and have principle concerns you’d probably buy a different car.
And anyone who would pay that much for a car is a gullible fool who doesn’t deserve to keep their money anyway, so that tracks, yeah. What a fucking waste.
