• justhach@lemmy.world
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      Whats wrong with bluesky? Ive been using it fornthe past week and its definitely more intuitive and accessible for the average joe than Mastodon.

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        Blue sky has an owner and investors, right?

        Publicly funded organizations should be required to use open solutions.

        If they want to also replicate what they post somewhere open to BlueSky and Xitter, and Facebook, so be it.

        That said, I could see carving out an exception for BlueSky if it provides the full open stack (public unauthenticated HTML, RSS, federation, etc ), and only while it does so.

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          A lot of people and outlets have said Bluesky is open source, which is actually false. Only the frontend is open source. That being said, they do use the AT Protocol which is still experimental, but seems like less of a mess than Activitypub.

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    Ew, that sounds bad. I would prefer “promote open twitter-like social media” instead of “ban X” (you can replace X with any other website/software, even FOSS one). No banning should be allowed in EU.

    • 46_and_2@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, keep X on and pile up the multi-million fines if they don’t comply with laws. That’s the only thing companies care about - something eating up their profits.

      And if they keep not complying - then ban it altogether, like Brazil did. I prefer to recognize and ban it for the illegal activities it does, not because some folks don’t like it and banded together against it.

    • Zink@programming.dev
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      They should pass a resolution that all EU member nations shall create official Mastodon and Lemmy instances. Moderators and admins would be actual jobs constrained by the relevant national or EU law.

      (Or replace Mastodon and Lemmy with whatever open platforms you deem appropriate)

      • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
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        I like this idea.

        Twitter was supposed to be the “online town hall”. And online public spaces are not publicly owned, they’re run by private companies that can ban you at their own whims.

        With each country having their own federated platforms, they can truly act as online public spaces where the usual laws apply as they would do offline.

        You’d need to employ thousands of moderators though if everyone was online but honestly I think it’s worth it.

        But don’t be handing out prison sentences for posting stupid shit. Online harassment and calls for violence can still be legally handled the same way they are offline, but jailing people for offensive jokes and stupid hot takes is just idiotic.

        Best way is temporary bans increasing exponentially in length, then small percentage of income fines again increasing exponentially.

        Also, and I’d argue we already need this, a court system for online crimes. This means the regular court system doesn’t get more workload added on to it and specialist judges and lawyers can be appointed.

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          I’m okay with this as long as things like general political or religious speech is protected. When you’re punised for speaking against the majority, congratulations you have left/center authoritarianism and it’s no better than fascism in my opinion.

    • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz
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      They only need to expand it a little bit. Add a rule against Nazi websites, and enforce it. That’s not restrictive very much at all. Drag has gone drag’s entire life without relying on Nazi sites

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        Lol. That’s true. I suspect that Xitter doesn’t have the staff or engineering talent left to pivot to enforce any new rules internally. It should be possible to catch them in a constant automated ban without hitting anything worthwhile.

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          To operate there they would have to hire the staff back then, or not do so. That said, usually intent is all that matters, so if something gets through, so long as you showed efforts to prevent it and remove it in a reasonable manner, they would be fine.

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      Does the article say anything about censorship? Usually bans like this are financial. So X offices would close in the EU and bank accounts seized and they wouldn’t be allowed to conduct business (eg with advertisers) in the EEA

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      +1

      They should discourage institutions from using it (and use government Mastadon instances of course). This is honestly long overdue.

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      Yep they should keep fining him exponentially till he leaves (he obviously will never fall in line with EU rules)

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    In few years we have moved from nonsensical Musk worshipping to nonsensical Musk hating.

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      we have moved to musk hating but i fail to see how all of it could be characterised as nonsensical; there are elements for sure

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      I never liked Musk, even when he was “In.” Even the Mars colonization meme rubbed me the wrong way, as the science does not line up with that.

      It felt like a cult of personality to me. He was always a fickle jerk, a mixed bag.

      You have a point though, people’s opinions were largely political, I think. Or just based on pure hope/cultism

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      There is a certain, disturbingly large, segment of the population which doesn’t even appear to attempt to think for themselves.

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      Correction, we went from fanatical Elon worship to a sudden realization, that he’s the greatest scam artist of all time (quite literally, nobody EVER burned more tax payer and inverter money) and went into sudden shock and disbelief.

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    Site doesn’t load. I trust they’re talking about banning it financially, not with a firewall, right?

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    Let’s at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

    At least give me some good ole RSS in the backend, and they could host their own Mastodon instances that people can subscribe to from other public instances.

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      Let’s at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

      Yeah. When public services solely use Xitter or Facebook pisses me off. We can and should make that shit illegal.

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    It kind of invalidates what the EU Committee is all about. This is just stupid, and calling for a ban in a free world is more concerning than X.

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      Yeah, but they’re great at discharging the righteous indignation of people who might otherwise do something extreme like going on demonstrations or start campaigning for non-“moderate” political parties.

      This way people just put their personal data next to a meaningless and powerless piece of text on a website alongside that of other people, get the feeling of release after having done something about what pisses them of, and won’t do anything further about it.

      Petitions are the single greatest invention of the Internet Age to keep the masses dormant (Social Media would’ve been it if, it wasn’t that, as the far-right has shown, it can be used to turn some people into activists).

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    Eh, BlueSky seems to be actually gaining some traction now, enough so that celebs and brands are jumping ship, so maybe just give it a few months and let it rot.

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      Don’t let the garbage sit until it rots. It will attract flies and possible more garbage.

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      Bsky has 20 million users, which is great, basically doubled in a month, but twitter has hundreds of millions of users. We talking a different order of magnitude.

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        Curves being what they are, these numbers don’t mean much. Yes twitter has more users but if bsky crosses some threshold, their user count can begin to catch up quickly.

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        While I definitely agree, enough momentum going both ways, alongside perhaps people choosing to leave Mastodon and Threads to go to the “winner of the alternatives” could sway this to a point where BlueSky is no longer the minnow here. Given that we’re only weeks detached from Trump’s win, I can only see it getting worse for Twitter, to the point where I can see Elon just selling it and moving on - perhaps even to BlueSky if Jack wanted a cut price deal.

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          FYI a lot of people on Lemmy use the fact Jack Dorsey was involved in Bluesky as a way to attack it, but that’s not super accurate.

          He completely left bluesky a year ago and even deleted his account, he has no involvement with it whatsoever anymore.

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    How about “if you don’t like Musk, don’t use X or buy a Tesla?”

    I personally don’t really like any billionaires at all, but I’m not going to get in to a hissy fit because someone uses Microsoft Windows or bought something from Amazon.

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      I’m not going to get in to a hissy fit because someone uses Microsoft Windows or bought something from Amazon

      You’re more mature than some people here.

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      That’s all well and good, and that’s currently my policy.

      But that’s an entirely different discussion than whether banning a certain propaganda platform is worth doing and would cause the intended results.

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    There’s absolutely no sensible reason to even consider doing this.