• XEAL@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    STFU I’m hyperfocused on this stupid script that I can’t get to work and if I don’t finish it I will feel sad and frustrated.

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    8 months ago

    My childhood friends started saying that anyone working after noon on Friday is disorganized and I think it’s beautiful.

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      8 months ago

      I already finished all my work for the sprint that ends on Tuesday. It’s Thursday at noon currently.

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        8 months ago

        It is. You should try to move to a career where you sell the results of your labor, not the time it takes to achieve them. Easier said than done, I know. Good luck!

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          8 months ago

          I think I would have to get a govt job in my career path to be able to do that. I’ve considered it, but idk if I really want to or not.

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            8 months ago

            Until recent times, I’ve always thought a govt job was a good thing to have.

            Still is, but the constant threat of government shutdowns, in the US at least, as of late, make me feel you need to live below your means and keep a decent chunk of 3 to 6 months pay, because you could suddenly be without pay for a good chunk of time because some idiots think they score political points, or will get their way, by hurting citizens.

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              8 months ago

              That’s a very good point… it seems like every time the national budget is up for renewal, those Republican clowns threaten to fuck everyone over. Bastards, the lot of them!

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      8 months ago

      It don’t matter how organized I am, my boss sees I’m done by noon on a friday he’ll give me more service calls, shop time or some other job to do.

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        8 months ago

        That’s not the type of job they are referring to.

        They’re referring to jobs where you have overarching goals and deliverables but aren’t logging actions to the event, or to the hour.

        I’ve had jobs like yours and steady, dependable, maintainable pace is the way to get through the week. Don’t over promise, don’t look available for random new tasks.

        At my current gig I have tasks issued at the 2 week level, and aside from very rare requests for assistance or discussion, I’m left to my to-do list, and my predetermined commitments. If I consistently meet my commitments, and show up for scheduled meetings, no one gives a shit when I actually work. It’s great but requires the right environment.

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          8 months ago

          That only works until the last call I did calls to pay their bill and now the office knows I’m done my work. I usually just suck it up and take more work, I’d hoestly rather that than twiddle my thumbs for a few hours.

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            8 months ago

            Twiddle your thumbs? You need some hobbies my dude. There is more to life than constantly working.

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        8 months ago

        That’s where you’re going wrong, you still need to pretend you’re doing work

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    8 months ago

    I always wondered how bragging about how long you worked was considered by some as a good thing. The “higher ups” must have used some fancy tricks to get people to think that way. It never worked on me though :)

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      8 months ago

      Modern day life is a competition, people always want to “1 up” the previous person. This is prevalent in society, don’t overthink it

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      8 months ago

      I always wondered how bragging about how long you worked was considered by some as a good thing.

      Somebody invented “Employee of the Month” and our competitive habits took over.

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      8 months ago

      I think people believe it is a sign you are striving to excel or that you care about the work you are doing.

      In my case I think I talk about how much overtime I work because I got insecurities about my productivity drilled into me as a child with undiagnosed ADHD. Constantly being told you don’t work hard enough regardless of the effort you put in will give you some weird hangups. I think subconsciously its about needing external validation that the time you put in was adequate, or insecurity around ‘work ethic’

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    8 months ago

    What about people that complain about how long they work (yeah, I do have some suboptimal time management skills, and I’m a little sensitive about it)?

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    8 months ago

    For me, it’s very much cyclical: when there is a project going, there are so many people counting on you that pretty much every minute counts, and the cost of mistakes is always high. It’s during these times that time management skill is critical and you need people on the team who’s job is to manage everybody’s time and make sure things gets done, but even with that, the long hours are unavoidable. I don’t think it’s something to brag about, it’s the nature of the job.

    But when there is no project going, it feels like there is really not much to do all day, sometimes even the task of finding things to do is a struggle, so you do whatever you want until the next project starts.

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    8 months ago

    How about also, “Wow, seems like you need to work on your resource planning skills,” when a manager tries to demand unpaid overtime?

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      8 months ago

      I’d straight up tell a boss that asked for unpaid overtime that their failure to allocate resources is money out of my pocket if and only if you want to hear from the DoL.

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        8 months ago

        Unfortunately, many jobs that do this are salaried exempt.

        Now, whether they are miss categorized is a different story. That’s why my wife’s old workplace is going to get some attention from the IRS and DOL when she finishes her month’s notice.

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      I think you might just straight say “management skills” because that’s bare minimum part of their fucking job to organize a schedule well enough so they don’t have to have people running into overtime to get the job done. That is time management, too, because you’re supposed to know how long it takes each employee to do shit, and you should be fucking organizing based on that.

      I’m so fucking sick of skeleton crews. I’m pushing 50 and the last 25 fucking years has been nothing but skeleton crews where if one person calls out sick everything falls apart. Sorry, that’s inefficient as hell. If one person calling out wrecks everything, then that means you’re doing it fucking wrong and maybe you need one or two more people to help cover the gaps. I’m sure it makes them beaucoup bucks in the short term, but the profits from ruining your relationship with your customer base won’t last. Eventually customers do get sick of being treated like shit. (Corporations are banking on all of them similarly treating you like shit so you won’t have any real options that are better.)

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        8 months ago

        Managers lower the bus factor to like .8 and force everyone else to work too hard to pick up the slack. Then they act shocked when somebody gets hit by a bus and it all falls apart.

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        8 months ago

        skeleton crews

        I’m not a manager, but if I had a business critical three person job and some busywork, I’d schedule four people minimum. Probably five if the busywork is important at the time.

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        8 months ago

        beaucoup bucks

        I’ve never seen this phrase in print before and the spelling is fucking me up a bit ngl

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    8 months ago

    What is this anti worker propaganda on .ml? Your fellow worker is brainwashed by the capitalist state and instead of seeking to build solidarity with them you mock them? How about sympathizing with their excessive workload and likely lacking compensation and eventually introducing that a different system would not require that from them?

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      8 months ago

      The point is to normalize not working extra hours so companies stop expecting it. It’s not anti-worker at all.

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        8 months ago

        Yes, but the joke implies that it’s the person’s own fault that they’re working too much, which very often it isn’t, at least in the USA from what I’ve heard.

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        8 months ago

        This of course refers mostly to salaried workers, as, at least in the us, hourly gets overtime pay at 1.5x normal pay. Up to an extent, many workers appreciate the extra pay.

        Not always though, as even then, some companies want lower workforce, and will work them half to death.

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          Appreciate you adding that last sentence, but ideally no one would work more even for additional pay. People need time to recuperate and enjoy life and in the current system often just getting by requires overtime pay. I’ve worked in both types of positions, and though I’m glad overtime and holiday pay exist in our current system, often the people working more or over the holidays are the most desperate or marginalized.

          I think the OP sentiment was directed towards salaried workers because I’ve basically never heard hourly workers talk about it in this way or context. I think the reason salaried employees brag about long hours is largely due to the fact that they might not be getting additional compensation so are at least trying to get social capital in exchange for their time.

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    8 months ago

    Ok yeah maybe but can we all stop writing our witty tweets in the same format? “normalize [abnormal thing]” is not only getting old, it probably is not effective at all