Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
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Too many ignorant dumbasses that can’t understand the concept of delayed effects. The upturn in the economy during Trump’s last time in office was a delayed effect of Obama’s administration. The shit we’re in now is because of Trump’s. This shit has happened every single time a Republican has been in office during my life. They fuck everything up, but the effects aren’t seen until they’re gone.
yep, economy is like cold molasses.
The presidents effect on the economy only really starts to come about in their 3rd and 4th year. the first year or two is just carry over, good or bad, from the previous admin.
But that takes thinking… and if theres one thinks Americans hate more than eachother, its having to hurt themselves by using the weird thinky head hurty meats.
Trump voters are stupid and have poor memories.
Except for the ones who are just plain evil.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
They apparently liked being stuck in their house while the entire economy tanked, they had to wipe their ass with their own hands, and a dumb ass told them that we’d perhaps look into injecting cleaners to protect themselves from a novel virus that was killing anywhere from 3-10% of the people that initially got it…because that was four years ago.
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault. If you want to blame him for anything, blame him for listening to Foucci, who was seen as the expert and advising him on what to do. And actually, trump left it up to state governments on whether to follow Foucci’s advice. A lot less businesses closed in places like Florida and Arizona because they didn’t shut everything down.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language (latinx was a huge failure among the latino population), and how their hard work and earnings didnt really add up to what they felt it did, because of their skin color. Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Loving all these mask-off moments. You’re still here, telling Latinos that they actually didnt vote how they did because of reasons they gave, must be because they liked COVID era lockdowns or something.
Hello? Can I have you shittiest take? No…that’s far too shitty.
What’s shitty about it?
The words that you wrote. All of it
But you can’t tell me why it’s shitty?
I did! I did tell you why. It’s the words you chose to write.
“you’re a Nazi”
Me: how?
“Your words”
Me: how do my words signal that?
“They do because they do.”
Great argument.
Its a .ml user, what do you expect?
They are all for anything thats Russian.
That includes Trump.
I know:)
I upvoted you because I think you’re about the one person stating the reasons a lot of people give for voting Trump. However, I do quite strongly disagree with all of them:
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault.
Trump loves to take credit for the low inflation and low gas prices after the pandemic in 2020. So if he’s taking credit for that, he should be taking credit for the cause too. Of course, that’s spin. The fact is reality is complicated, and none of this things can really be attributed to Trump.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language
Ok so we’re talking about the person who is going to run the federal government that sets tax policy, handles emergencies, etc. and has utterly no power over people’s language. And honestly, whoever these people saying others “needed to alter their language” are, if they exist at all, I’m pretty sure it’s not Kamala Harris. I get that maybe you’re trying to provide a justification that isn’t necessarily yours in particular, but this example is a particularly egregiously silly reason to vote for president.
Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Ok so tell us then, what policy of Biden’s caused inflation? Here’s a chart of Monthly CPI data, as you can see the rise in inflation was basically Jan 2021 (the month before he took office) to June 2022, before it started to come down. So what policy of Biden’s was impacting the economy over that period? Keep in mind you’ll also have to explain how it impacted the whole global economy in a similar way.
For example, if I were arguing the other way, I would say that Trump’s tax cuts for the rich in 2017, which dumped trillions of dollars into the economy, have had ample time by 2021 to alter the balance of production lead to price increases in multiple consumer goods. As the investor class tends to spend money on a global scale and the US has by far the most extremely rich people, it’s unsurprising that it would impact other countries. There, now you try, but with Biden instead.
Or don’t. Because the reality is in the overall aura of your comment. “Smug elites”, one of many labels used very successfully to paint Democrats as undesirable and disgusting. It’s about what team people wanted to be on. Trump painted himself as Team Alpha Male, complete with Hulk Hogan there to cheer him on. And he painted the other side as, to be blunt, a bunch of gross trans women. That messaging is no different from what beer vendors, truck makers, etc. have used successfully for decades. And it worked again here.
“It’s simple, really, I’m just a piece of shit who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but myself and I’m dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won’t fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country”
People have a hierarchy of needs. If they can’t eat correctly while working, they’ll put “democracy” and ”rights” (even their own) after their stomach… and it’s understandable. Of course Trump will bring no solution but Harris even proposed no solution.
Other than lower taxes and the historical democratic interest in the minimum wage?
More like “it’s simple really. I’m spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I’m gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food”
I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.
Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.
It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.
The taxes, set by the Trump administration in 2017, that somehow (fucking idiots) never got on their radars. You know, since they were worried about taxes, or money so much…
“beset on all sides, with idiots”
Y’all can be furious with this guy if you want, but he’s probably the most important person to be listening to. The block that determines elections has always been the sizable mass of extremely low information voters who don’t have any strong political affiliations and vote mainly because of some vague sense of civic duty.
They aren’t interested in economic and foreign policy debates. They don’t care about intangibles like democratic norms and the rule of law. They don’t want to hear your class analysis or how qualified you are to give it. The only question they’re considering is “Has life been going well for me and the people in my community that I care about?” That’s it. It’s a vibe check.
Good vibes? Vote for those in power. Bad vibes? Vote against those in power.
This is the voter you need to convince if you want to win.
We gotta figure out how to capture the moron vote to win? This all just makes me want to quit. Those idiots are going to get what they deserve.
Most people are morons, so yeah, we do.
Given that the people won’t accept the necessary complex solutions to complex problems due to the intential destruction of our publoc education system both to keep them ignorant and controllable and to not pay for them, and want simple answers that don’t exist without deception, all there is is subsistence until collapse, and start over after all that pain without the artificial restrictions held up by both parties to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor.
This place is nothing but a slavery trap, keeping people ignorant by design and dependent on the scraps of the capitalists. I hope climate change forces the collapse and this slavery trap doesn’t limp along for more generations born to suffer needlessly for the masters.
I fish a lot. I fish with blue collar types and run in circles with fishing guides. I know a fishing guide who spends 8-12 hours per day on the water, something like 200 days per year with clients and many others just scouting so he can put clients on more fish. He has a part time retail job for the days he’s not fishing. He doesn’t doom scroll all day, and probably only gets a few minutes to scroll Instagram or Twitter in the evening before he goes to sleep because he’s up before sunrise driving to spots and loading his raft/gear into the water and pulling everything out to wash it in the evening. Sometimes he drives over an hour to fish, sometimes he stays overnight in certain areas. He doesn’t really read the news, he only interacts with a handful of other fishing guides and fishermen, he works two jobs, and that’s it.
I also fish with another guy in construction management. He’s on site most days, probably doom scrolls a little bit. He’s a relatively smart guy, savvy on niche musical genres and other really weird technical topics, but not educated at all and never graduated college. He’s kinda engaged but not really, and he does pretty well to filter all the political stuff out so he can focus on things that he’s interested in.
Harris proposed absolutely nothing for either of them. No tax proposals that would help them, no improvements to their health insurance (though both are probably through the ACA), no job/industry prospects, no financial assurances, just…nothing. All they heard were abortion, democracy, and “not Trump.” Neither of them even like Trump, and they find MAGA cringey AF, but they both said almost exactly the same thing to me at some point over the past few months:
“I mean, I’m fucked either way, so it really doesn’t matter.”
And you know what? They’re absolutely right. They are. Trump’s the only one who even tries to speak to their concerns, and for many people that’s enough.
the sizable mass of extremely low information voters
If this was the 1920s you’d have a point. Hell, the 1950s, 60’s even.
It’s 2024. There’s a huge mass of information in every square inch of the world now. There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
“Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents,” Mr Negron added. “A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then.”
Listen to that fucking garbage. “Democratic lies” “We realised things were better then”. That’s right wing media copypasta if there ever was any.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Like I said, be mad if you want. Doesn’t change anything. His vote still counts the same as mine and everybody else’s. You still live in a world where you need that guy to be on your side. You can either shout at the wind that the world isn’t the way you think it should be or figure out how to improve the world that is actually in front of you.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Guy isn’t trying to ingratiate himself with anybody. He just told you what he was trying to do—make the world better for himself and his family. In particular, he wants to spend less on groceries. Low information voters might not be able to connect the dots between supreme court nominations, monetary policy, and broad economic trends, but they will unfailingly notice they’re spending 20% more on groceries than they did four years ago. You want to point out that it’s not the Democrats fault inflation ballooned out of control? I’m right there with you. I voted that way in Pennsylvania. That guy doesn’t care. He voted the other way because he wants cheaper groceries and as far as he can tell, Democrats didn’t get it done. Calling him a moron and Nazi ally isn’t going to change that.
There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
Sure. Guess what: it doesn’t matter. They are that fucking stupid, and excuse or no, they are the idiots you need to convince if you want to get elected.
How are they made well-informed?
It’s a goddamned mystery I tells ya.
How are they made well informed? They probably aren’t. That’s the problem.
Trump voters aren’t going to be turned in any significant proportion. They voted for awfulness.
Elections are generally won or lost based on how well the Democrats get people engaged. Want to win an election? Talk about the things that matter to the average person. Want to lose an election? Be the Democrats
The Trump messaging was really pretty brilliant. Despite its simplicity, it was incredibly effective. He asked people if they felt like they were better off today than they were four years ago, a majority said no, and that’s all it took.
The Trump messaging was really pretty brilliant.
THE FUCK?! What the fuck was the “Trump messaging”?!
THEY’RE EATING THE CATS?!
Brilliant now. Jesus FUCKING CHRIST.
What the fuck was the “Trump messaging”?!
I already said:
He asked people if they felt like they were better off today than they were four years ago
I’ve seen a lot of people saying this kind of thing. “Trump’s message was simpler, easier to understand”
The double standard is insane. Harris had actual plans and explained them, meanwhile Trump can’t finish a single cohesive thought. Bonkers. Anyone who listened to Trump speak for more than 60 seconds and still voted for him is braindead and you cannot convince me otherwise.
This is it right here. Especially toward the end of the campaign. These ‘uneducated rubes’ had no problem decrying how old and nonsensical Biden was… and there was a lot of feedback from people near the end that Trump sounded like he was ‘trying to lose’. They left his rallies in droves while he droned on after being 3 hours late to start with.
THIS is the guy you want making decisions with the nuclear football?
It’s worse than uneducated, it’s worse than disinterested. It sure feels like idiocracy at this point.
There are about a million different events I could point to and say “I can’t believe he won after that”, but among them was the 40 minute dance party instead of answering any questions. Imagine Kamala getting away with that.
There’s going to be a lot of extremely obese leopards around, with all the faces they will be eating.
This is where we were 4 years ago.
People quickly forgot they went through this.
People have the memory of a fucking brain dead goldfish. It is so frustrating, it makes me want to pull my eyeballs out.
Scapegoat identified. No way it could have been the dems alienating their base with less progressive politics in a failed attempt to pull republicans over to Harris.
oh yeah. trump winning was way more the dems fault than the republicans /s
Against Trump, it was the dems to lose, which they did in historical fashion. They’re so quick to blame leftists, or hispanics, or muslims, yet refuse to admit that their shitty policies brought this about.
Actually I found in most contests its the winners to win. Fact is trump had a better platform and a better strategy and the dems need to be more like him to win. that way rather than trump light being hyperbole they really need to do it.
In some competitions, the lead of one competitor is obvious, and they lose because they screw up. It should not have been difficult for the party already in power, with a former prosecutor and career politician, to defeat the former gameshow host with 34 felony convictions.
Harris tried to appease the moderate republicans to try and pull from their pool, but alienated her supporters in doing so.
This type of competition does not work that way. People had their chance and they overwelming through action or inaction wanted trump. Heck he won the popular vote. This is what americans want and if democrats want to win they need to follow the policies that the american people choose to have when elections happen. Now folks like me we are clearly not eh majority. Folks that want a capitalist system but massively regulated and collecting more taxes the more individuals and companies have such that they can’t become monopolies or to big to fail. I obviously saw which side was closer to what I wanted and other folks I can only assume went whith the side that was closer to what they wanted.
Of course it can work that way, we just saw it happen on Tuesday. Look at all the votes the dems lost between elections. All those protests, all the people demanding an end to the genocide in Gaza, all those people asking about cheaper rent and healthcare, those people asking about why there’s still kids in cages at the border. Inaction, regardless of the outcome, does not equal support for the victor. But sure, let’s homogenize the two major parties and make elections even more of a farce than they already are.
What we saw is the majority of american voters decided they want the right. If the majority did not it would have turned out different. No one makes left turn by not turning the wheel left or trying to turn it right in the hopes of doing a 270.
Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don’t understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don’t think about it after that; it’s fact to them.
It’s reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can’t make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.
Not too mention the “inflation” was entirely fabricated to hurt Joe and the Democrats. All they had to do was ask people what inflation? To ask them how there was record inflation AND record profits with large payouts to CEOs. It’s gross that the rich fabricated this, sold it to the masses, and they ate it up.
In 2016, I was angry at the decision some made, but understood that no one knew who tRump was, what he stood for, or how he’d govern. In 2024, we knew all of that. It’s clear this is what people want. They won’t ever know how badly they fucked themselves cause they’ll be told who is really to blame and they’re too stupid to get a second opinion.
They didn’t gut the public educational system on accident, things are functioning as designed.
A few weeks ago a poor POC came up to me trying to convince me to vote Trump because “Trump will put money in your pocket”
I asked him what he meant by that, thinking his reasoning would be tax cuts or inflation. Alas, his reasoning was that he thought the COVID stimulus checks came from Trump’s personal wealth and that him winning the presidency again would mean we would get more.
It was when I noticed the other people around me agreeing with him that I knew we were doomed. What can man do against such reckless ignorance?
You should have vomited all over him like in that stand by me movie, causing everyone else around you to vomit all over everyone else.
This was unfortunately a missed opportunity for you.
That’s by design.
Really surprised the article didn’t mention Gaza or genocide.
I’m not. With the exception of the terminally online left or people with familial or cultural ties to Palestine, it’s at best a back burner issue. It certainly impacted her vote share in certain areas, but that’s not why the whole country turned to the right. She didn’t lose NC, GA, NV, and AZ because of Gaza. She lost because of the economy and immigration. Those of us who spend a large portion of our days/weeks glued to these threads forget that we tend to blow certain things far out of proportion compared to how the average American sees it. We think our pet issues are the pet issues of the electorate, and they’re simply not, no matter how much moralizing and finger wagging we do.
For the record, I wasn’t really surprised either.
The whole country didn’t turn to the right. Trump got fewer votes than in 2020. The problem is fhe left didn’t turn out. Kamala got 13M fewer votes than Biden. 🤷♂️
Yes, it did. The evidence is widespread. Across multiple sources.
It happened in unexpected demographics and in unexpected regions.
It’s important to note that he’s at 72.6 million votes, and counting. We can’t say he “got” more or fewer votes than in 2020 because they’re still tallying ballots. He’s getting more every hour. (edit: According to AP, he’s gained ~100k votes since I first wrote this comment an hour ago.)
You are citing a shift based on these results. I am saying people didn’t turn out for Harris. 🤷♂️ That will clearly cause a shift in the results.
Let me know when Trump matches his 2020 support, which even if he did is still a loss given population growth.
Turnout went up in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina, yet Trump flipped or increased the margins in all four. Turnout in PA appears to have dropped only a little, but Trump’s 2024 margin is 60% higher than Biden’s 2020 margin. Even in swing states it appears the red shift was consistent across all areas and significantly higher than any perceived turnout change. Where we see turnout significantly down is in blue states, which are kinda beside the point. Plus there are over 7 million uncounted votes in California alone.
The whole country turned to the right.
Exactly how Hitler got in.
Ok commie.
Even though the 2020 election was rigged.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,”
You liked living in a crumbling economy riddled with mass unemployment and caused by a fumbled pandemic response that resulted in thousands of preventable deaths? Because that’s where we were 4 years ago. That’s the economy Trump gave us the first time.
resulted in thousands of preventable deaths
Millions, and it’s still climbing thanks in large part to his decision to politicize public health.
Trump’s policy was just juicing the system for short term gain which can go on for quite a while in good times but when you’re at 0% interest already at the START of a pandemic and economic crisis it’s obvious you’ve been much too irresponsible with the economy.
just a reminder. interest rates at the end of obamas last term where 3 or 4 percent and not zero the way they were when covid hit. I recall someone on tv complaining a lot about the fed trying to ruin his economy.
It turns out that trying to fix a problem is more memorable than causing said problem. Interesting, but not terribly surprising given the long running joke that American voters have very short attention spans
“We saw a huge difference when Trump was president,” Dietzler said, adding that he was drawn to Trump’s embrace of former Democrats like Robert F Kennedy Jr
These people are morons. And they’re happy about it.
Welcome to America
To be fair I notice a huge difference when trump was president and it determined how I voted.
Same. That’s why I voted for Harris
zactly
