Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
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Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don’t understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don’t think about it after that; it’s fact to them.
It’s reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can’t make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.
Not too mention the “inflation” was entirely fabricated to hurt Joe and the Democrats. All they had to do was ask people what inflation? To ask them how there was record inflation AND record profits with large payouts to CEOs. It’s gross that the rich fabricated this, sold it to the masses, and they ate it up.
In 2016, I was angry at the decision some made, but understood that no one knew who tRump was, what he stood for, or how he’d govern. In 2024, we knew all of that. It’s clear this is what people want. They won’t ever know how badly they fucked themselves cause they’ll be told who is really to blame and they’re too stupid to get a second opinion.
They didn’t gut the public educational system on accident, things are functioning as designed.
A few weeks ago a poor POC came up to me trying to convince me to vote Trump because “Trump will put money in your pocket”
I asked him what he meant by that, thinking his reasoning would be tax cuts or inflation. Alas, his reasoning was that he thought the COVID stimulus checks came from Trump’s personal wealth and that him winning the presidency again would mean we would get more.
It was when I noticed the other people around me agreeing with him that I knew we were doomed. What can man do against such reckless ignorance?
You should have vomited all over him like in that stand by me movie, causing everyone else around you to vomit all over everyone else.
This was unfortunately a missed opportunity for you.
That’s by design.
Really surprised the article didn’t mention Gaza or genocide.
I’m not. With the exception of the terminally online left or people with familial or cultural ties to Palestine, it’s at best a back burner issue. It certainly impacted her vote share in certain areas, but that’s not why the whole country turned to the right. She didn’t lose NC, GA, NV, and AZ because of Gaza. She lost because of the economy and immigration. Those of us who spend a large portion of our days/weeks glued to these threads forget that we tend to blow certain things far out of proportion compared to how the average American sees it. We think our pet issues are the pet issues of the electorate, and they’re simply not, no matter how much moralizing and finger wagging we do.
For the record, I wasn’t really surprised either.
The whole country didn’t turn to the right. Trump got fewer votes than in 2020. The problem is fhe left didn’t turn out. Kamala got 13M fewer votes than Biden. 🤷♂️
Yes, it did. The evidence is widespread. Across multiple sources.
It happened in unexpected demographics and in unexpected regions.
It’s important to note that he’s at 72.6 million votes, and counting. We can’t say he “got” more or fewer votes than in 2020 because they’re still tallying ballots. He’s getting more every hour. (edit: According to AP, he’s gained ~100k votes since I first wrote this comment an hour ago.)
You are citing a shift based on these results. I am saying people didn’t turn out for Harris. 🤷♂️ That will clearly cause a shift in the results.
Let me know when Trump matches his 2020 support, which even if he did is still a loss given population growth.
Turnout went up in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina, yet Trump flipped or increased the margins in all four. Turnout in PA appears to have dropped only a little, but Trump’s 2024 margin is 60% higher than Biden’s 2020 margin. Even in swing states it appears the red shift was consistent across all areas and significantly higher than any perceived turnout change. Where we see turnout significantly down is in blue states, which are kinda beside the point. Plus there are over 7 million uncounted votes in California alone.
The whole country turned to the right.
At least they will get what they asked for.
Gee, what didn’t we have yet four years ago? Oh, that’s right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.
Dumb people: BuT STiMuLUS cHeCKS!
The president doesn’t have magical knobs that will lower the prices of eggs or fuel.
We are still feeling the effects of post-Covid economy, materials and products got expensive and most never came back down. The president can’t do anything about that unless they are going to interfere with the free market. Really ignorant of people to vote for Trump on that basis.
They actually do… Or at least, the government as a whole does. If you look back at the great depression, WW2 and its aftermath, and the radical actions that the US government took to solve the cost of living crisis then, you can see that it absolutely is possible.
Would it have been possible for Biden in 2020? Technically, yes. The Dems held two branches, and with an end to the filibuster rule and court packing they could theoretically have secured control in the third. A razor thin margin in the senate would have required some very clever, and possibly very ruthless backroom dealing to get things done. But the possibility did, technically, exist.
Buying into the narrative that radical solutions are impossible is exactly why people are sick of the Democrats. Yes, obviously Trump will only make things worse, but the average person doesn’t see that. They only see that they tried handing the keys to the Dems, things only got worse, so now they’re going to try handing the keys to the other guys.
And if they actually took the time to look into WHY anything was happening that they didn’t like or enjoy, they would have eventually found some answers somewhere.
Dude, we have a WHOLE entire “team” of ReDUMBlicans who will bitch and whine that anything good that is offered by Democrats IMMEDIATELY gets shut down or must make changes to include something stupid, just so they can get their grubby little fingers into it. OR try to sue for it, which just clutters up our court system.
The president, at least a Democrat one, CAN NOT just do whatever the fuck they want to do, for those exact reasons.
Inb4 they get deported and denaturalized.
They voted for thst. I will not shed a tear.
Basically, people are dumb and think that the current economic situation reflects only current policy, whereas in reality it takes several years for a policy to affect the economy significantly. I mean i don’t have any love for Biden, but the fact that the inflation started at the end of Trump’s presidency and continued into Biden’s was due primarily to Trump policy. The fact that it slowed finally is due to Biden policy, but now that Trump is taking over, he’ll take responsibility and immediately go back to policy that breaks the economy again, but only at the end of his term. This is one reason he’s unlikely succeed for long if he to tries to seize power illegally and would have been way worse off if he had won his second term. His policy effects would be under his watch. Also why single term presidents are often less reviled than two term ones historically.
How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn’t get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won’t be at the table, you’re going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.
I can’t wait until we get to 2028 so we can talk about how eggs are more expensive than they are now. Oh wait, that only happens when democrats are in office
I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.
Policies take time to show and that’s something these people didn’t account for, imo.
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Hard agree.
The trump economy had a decent distance to fall for most people. The whole regime was a clusterfuck, but it was only starting to hit the majority of people in 2019. That was massively overshadowed by the pandemic which many people don’t realize how much worse we handled it than other countries like France and Vietnam. Well now that we just barely touched a soft landing for his fuck ups they’re about to see how bad his economic policies are. We’re gonna get fucked in the ass but unable to afford lube
Everyone ignores that Trump took a booming economy and turned it into almost a recession on his first term.
Covid covered it up while he completely fucked up handling it too. He made it far far worse than doing nothing and hiding in a bunker. He actively withheld medical aid and caused countless deaths.
But somehow he has over 50m supporters instead of a jail cell.
I honestly don’t know how this country can recover when the right can drown out facts and rewrite history with lies.
Yeah, they liked being in the middle of a poorly handled pandemic. It was great!!
“It’s simple, really, I’m just a piece of shit who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but myself and I’m dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won’t fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country”
More like “it’s simple really. I’m spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I’m gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food”
I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.
Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.
It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.
The taxes, set by the Trump administration in 2017, that somehow (fucking idiots) never got on their radars. You know, since they were worried about taxes, or money so much…
People have a hierarchy of needs. If they can’t eat correctly while working, they’ll put “democracy” and ”rights” (even their own) after their stomach… and it’s understandable. Of course Trump will bring no solution but Harris even proposed no solution.
Other than lower taxes and the historical democratic interest in the minimum wage?
“beset on all sides, with idiots”
I’m calling it. The Fed will start gradually lowering its interest rates down to near 0 as the stock market booms with cheap money. The news will show troubling social and geopolitical problems that will be quickly swept over by the latest Dow Jones and S&P 500 values getting to absurd heights. People will start grumbling about the nation’s problems again while Trump will say it’s the “Deep State” causing all of this and pointing the finger at Democrats and undocumented immigrants.
Inflation starts to spike again at the start of the 4th year of Trump’s presidency. Even more people will start to go homeless as the average monthly cost of a 1 bedroom apartment soars to $3k. If Trump is still “healthy”, the Supreme Court will declare a sitting president can hold on to power during times of emergency and cancel US elections.
War against mexico. Human safari drone tactics against southern US cities. Internment camps for Latios. Martial law. No more voting ever.
given the china tarrifs it might be one of those faster than expected thing.
Ok commie.
BTW, the fed reserve is a private insitution seperate from the government.
As a Latino, I’m gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.
Your energy would be better spent blaming the politicians for not advocating policies that cater to the worried and concerns of voters
Do you really think people who casted their votes this way are blameless?
The Democrats have their fair share of responsibility for not dealing with the reality of what they have to work with and advocating better positions and trying to solve their problems. Significant blame.
But that doesn’t make Trump voters or non-voters not culpable for cutting off their nose to spite their face. It’s still wildly ignorant at best and evil at worst.
The voters are not to blame. This is the democrats and dnc fault 100%
Latino for Trump here.
Is this the line for the free tears?
Nah it is the one for the free ridicule though.
REALLY?!
Where Daddy? Where?
I’ve been waiting all day for some, yet there is none to be found.
Guess my facts (as seen below) were just too real. Please, ridicule me for hawk tuwa spitting the truth daddy!!
Your car / truck / motorcycle is lame and your exes all laugh together about how bad you are in bed.
MY TRUCK IS HUGE JUST LIKE MY COCK!!!
And you KNOW that!!!
Your truck and your cock are alike: they’re both useless garbage that nobody with a functioning brain cell would want to touch.
spoiler
The only way you can sustain an erection is to imagine Trump screwing Ivanka with his tiny mushroom while Jared watches.
No the tears are when you forget to bring your ID for a walk around the neighborhood and end up in a concentration camp
Don’t forget your ID, I’d hate to see you end up sharing a tent with all of those “bad hombres”
Good luck! ;)
Oh you! Always worrying about me!
While I appreciate the concern, nothing like that is going to happen. You know why? Because all of this fear mongering is just that: fear mongering!
You know how I know it’s all fear mongering? Don’t you worry! I did all the hard work for you: I did the research! And I brought receipts!!™
You see kids, denaturalization is a process that has been in place since the early 1900s. It is used to revoke the citizenship of people who really REALLY shouldn’t be here. We are talking Terrorist, Russian spys, Nazis (like, actual Nazis from WWII, not just people who don’t agree with you politically in the year 2024). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
I feel this is a worthy use of our tax dollars! I mean, you want to deport Nazis and Russian spys, right?
“But, Awesomo!” (you whine), “Trump is going to go after all the innocent “brown people”!”(brown people© Democrats 2006)
Hmmm…I don’t know. Will he really? If only we had some sort of historical data to back up this totally baseless claim……
Ooops! We do! You see, Trump was already President once. And everyone is claiming that he came down with an Iron Fist the first go-round. Turns out only 4 people, let me repeat that: 4 PEOPLE total, were denaturalized under President Trump. And guess what? Those 4 people were a terrorist, a LITERAL Nazi, and a couple of war criminals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
Hell, President Obama (the great and powerful and o-so-cool) denaturalized 8 people during his terms! And again, these were (undeniably) undesirable people.
So you see, you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about me. I (like every other US citizen that migrated here and isn’t a Nazi or Terrorist) have NOTHING to be afraid of.
Hugs and kisses!
Why would he use this process instead of his stated approach of using the alien enemies act?
Oh, you just posted this because, like many other people claiming “I did the research”, you have no idea how to do research.
Now do the research on the alien enemies act and how it’s already been used.
Yup. I live in the FSA (fucked states of america), am latina and I know a few of those fuckers. Beyond disappointing
It’s simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊
^ no I’m not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.
No you don’t understand, they’re the good ones who came here legally. Nevermind all the rest.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
laughs in Holocaust numbers
<laughs in Holocaust numbers
lol immigrants have guns and border employees are not ready to die for trumps ideology.
Who says it needs to be government employees?
I’m sure there’s plenty of militias out there who would be happy to do all this rounding up for Trump, once he gives them a wink and a nod. Wouldn’t even need to pay them.
Well citizens and militias would have no legal authority. So yeah. Go to the park, go in nature. Lemmy is really trying hard to out some doom-scape ideals.
Also: THEY ARE NOT READY TO DIE FOR THIS.
Forget about Jan. 6th 2021 already? I don’t recall any legal authority there and yet it still happened.
Also, we’ve had bounty programs in the past for populations of people.
Yeah, perfect example, 1 person shot and the roaches scattered. Also the Capitol police were there so……
Bounty Programs in the past, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of possibility
How would you know?
Imagine having a drone knock on your door.
I’m guessing these guys somehow missed the /c/Ukraine posts of the drones absolutely destroying the exact kind of minivans these people drive? And that’s Ukraine
They’d be fucked against a modern US military actually hunting them, if they ever left their homes
Guns don’t do shit against drones. Enjoy your future hiding from white supremacists doing “human safari” tactics.
4 years ago…in the height of COVID?
You know you won’t be given a phone call or sent a new driver’s license or something when we’ve entered idiocracy. You’ll just wake up one day and be in it. And that one day was about two days ago.
Welcome to Costco, I love you.
All of this is stressing me out… i’m going to Starbucks.
I could really use an adult latte right about now.
Relax, ICE may empty their facilities, bit life will go on as normal. The rule of law will prevail.
lol as Trumps court cases are dismissed
The rule of law is basically nonexistent
That’s why every bank has been robbed , chaos in the streets, oh the humanity lol ok sure
Remember, idiots like Cuttlefish will be pointing at the front door of the house right now and saying “everything looks fine, assholes!”.
They’ll do that to purposefully ignore the fact that actual transition isn’t until late January. Furthermore, these people won’t kick down the front door this time. They are going to be behind the house, filling the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline. While they are doing that, they’ll count on Cuttlefish, among an army of useless dipshits, to claim “incredulous!!! All is well” to try to distract you into doubt. While you’re fully preoccupied, they’ll kick in the BACK door. And light a match. And what cuttlefish is just too god damn stupid and frightened to know right now is that while he’s looking out the front window, laughing as neighbor’s houses burn as they are dragged into the street and shot, he’ll hear the sound of his own back door being kicked in.
Make no mistake though. We’re all fucked, our kids, grandkids and their kids are also fucked. Cuttlefish is also fucked, they are just, again, too stupid to realize it yet. But know that anything you are telling yourself right now, focusing on how it can’t get THAT bad, that’s what you’d naturally tell yourself for comfort. That’s fine, its human, but it’s not true. The end isn’t a cliff’s edge, it’s an increasingly steep hill descending into a mass grave.
We are well and truly fucked, American democracy has failed. Past tense. The laws aren’t real, the courts aren’t real, there is no effective policing between the three branches. It is over. That’s hard to hear, to fully internalize, and it’s true.
Keep an eye on the news, its version of cuttlefish’s cowardly compliance will be the old “is trump being presidential?” narrative. Remember, he’s only the dipshit at the front door dancing to distract you, the actual trouble is happening quietly, and at the foundation of your home right now.
When you demean me in your opening line it is an automatic fail
Remember, idiots like Cuttlefish will be pointing at the front door of the house right now and saying “everything looks fine, assholes!”.
They’ll do that to purposefully ignore the fact that actual transition isn’t until late January. Furthermore, these people won’t kick down the front door this time. They are going to be behind the house, filling the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline. While they are doing that, they’ll count on Cuttlefish, among an army of useless dipshit, to claim “incredulous!!! All is well” to try to distract you into doubt. While you’re fully preoccupied, they’ll kick in the BACK door. And light a match.
Make no mistake though. We’re all fucked, our kids, grandkids and their kids are also fucked. Cuttlefish is also fucked, they are just too stupid to realize it yet. But know that anything you are telling yourself right now, focusing on how it can’t get THAT bad, that’s what you’d naturally tell yourself for comfort. That’s fine, its human, but it’s not true.
We are well and truly fucked, American democracy has failed. The laws aren’t real, the courts aren’t real, there is no effective policing between the three branches. It is over. That’s hard and it’s true.
Keep an eye on the news, its version of cuttlefish’s cowardly compliance will be the old “is trump being presidential?” narrative. Remember, he’s only the dipshit at the front door, the actual trouble is happening quietly, and at the foundation of your home right now.
Cuttlefish, there’s a poem commonly called “first they came for…” it’s short, go memorize it, say it over and over in your head to distract while you’re watching them rape your sister in a camp. And then they turn to you, with guns pointed, say you’re gay and they’ll shoot you in the head if you don’t take your turn with your sister next.
Idiocracy would be an upgrade, it has a president who listened to people smarter than himself.
But he wasn’t the first president along their path of decline, right? He’s the dude that was left with the pending shortage of burrito fixings and finally had to get serious about shit.
Also maybe Commacho is the archetype for what a democratic nominee will have to devolve into to finally be “heard” by the broken weirdo populous that use politics as a sport and life identity.
Go read all the headlines about “dems don’t know how to communicate with large parts of America” - that statement doesn’t mean they said “you all” when they should have said “y’all”… It means that J.D. Pritzker has to start wearing a hot dog costume, legally change his name to “$HITcago DOG” go around the country for the next four years holding rallies where he farts the national anthem, gives everyone who attends a FULL SIZE Snickers bar and humps a blow up doll with marge taylor greene’s face taped to it. Along the way, he’ll gently sprinkle in messaging, but all of this will also involve just so many compromised principles in a continuing Overton window shift, where the platform devolves to “don’t be a dick sometimes, asshole”. There’s your bumper sticker.
I mean, Camacho was also black, so definitely not a Republican president.
I can’t believe you like money too. We should hang out.
