No, blue voters didn’t vote for Republicans. This is the second thread I see you posting this misinformation when it’s not remotely true outside of ONE demographic (Latino men). Left of centre democrats just didn’t show up to the polls (and they had no reason to, tbh).
You can look up the turnout numbers yourself, it’s literally headline news.
Edit: nvm, you seem to have it out for Bernie and think Biden/Harris was a fine ticket even when Dems were asking Biden to step down. I see your game.
I agree with you (hence why I finally got my dual citizenship and voted) but a lot of people can’t see beyond their own needs. An existential reason was never going to be enough to galvanize them.
You are right of course. It doesn’t make it any easier to stomach.
Congratulations on your citizenship, for whatever that’s worth these days. Honestly, I’m emotionally affected by this election, and I’m going to say a lot of things that aren’t necessarily indicative of my overall feelings about this country. For all of our faults, it’s still a country of amazing opportunity and privilege compared to a lot of other countries on this planet. I still love it here, despite being at odds with over half of my fellow citizens on a regular basis. So really, and genuinely, congratulations on becoming a citizen, and welcome to the fold.
Do you think that privilege comes from the enlightenment of our politicians? From the population as a whole just working harder than in other places? Is it perhaps conjured from magic? Or would you consider that it was privilege derived from the well-documented and brutal exploitation of the global south?
Thank you! I’m very lucky in that I was claiming what was already a birth right through my parents, so my citizenship was really not as tough as people actually immigrating and going through the whole intrusive process.
I still don’t consider the US my “home” per se, not like my birth country, but I’ve met some wonderful people, and my state is pretty blue, so I have no doubt my governor will be fighting the orange clown tooth and nail for four years. That being said, man the political atmosphere here can be…well, let’s just say I’m getting used to the “American exceptionalism” aspects of the culture.
Idk how long you’ve been here, but this is not normal. This is very wrong, and it’s disturbing how many people don’t see how far we’ve fallen. Politics has been an ever-present and disturbing part of our lives since 2016. It wasn’t like this before. But when an attention seeking narcissist entered the race, the media outlets decided to pounce upon his every worthless word, rather than ignoring him like the incompetent joke that he is. They gave him an outsized voice when he should have none, and he’s caused nothing but harm ever since.
I don’t know what the future looks like from this day forward. It could end up being nothing more than a 4 year grift (or however many years clown show lives if less than 4), or it could end up being a serious challenge to our democracy. I’m not looking forward to it, but it is decided, so here we go.
That said, I know a lot of refugees who came to this country 45-50 years ago and their lives & kid’s lives are immeasurably better than they would be in their home country. For reasons like that, I’ll always fight for what America represents. I’m hoping some day soon Americans remember our real ideals and start living them more truly.
Politics has been an ever-present and disturbing part of our lives since 2016.
Politics was ever-present before that, it’s ever present in human society, it’s just that some privileged middle class people choose to ignore it and largely succeed when their NPR ASMR isn’t blasting them with “ORANG MAN BAD” every hour of the day to brow beat them into caring.
Perhaps you’re conflating “the electoral dog and pony show” for “politics” then, because if you were “deeply poor,” it’s hard to imagine not dealing with politics. Easy example, the cops are a pretty political institution, acting as the agents of establishment powers. Hell, the enclosure of the commons and the resultant practically monopolistic effect that landlording has is also pretty political, liberals just don’t talk about it (other than Adam Smith).
All anyone has regarding that is annecdotal. But in my experience many friends, family, coworkers who voted democrat in 2020 were convinced by republican ads that democrats were to blame for the inflation caused by Covid and price gouging.
No, blue voters didn’t vote for Republicans. This is the second thread I see you posting this misinformation when it’s not remotely true outside of ONE demographic (Latino men). Left of centre democrats just didn’t show up to the polls (and they had no reason to, tbh).
You can look up the turnout numbers yourself, it’s literally headline news.
Edit: nvm, you seem to have it out for Bernie and think Biden/Harris was a fine ticket even when Dems were asking Biden to step down. I see your game.
I understand your point, but preventing another 4 years under the walking orange disaster is a pretty good reason.
I agree with you (hence why I finally got my dual citizenship and voted) but a lot of people can’t see beyond their own needs. An existential reason was never going to be enough to galvanize them.
You are right of course. It doesn’t make it any easier to stomach.
Congratulations on your citizenship, for whatever that’s worth these days. Honestly, I’m emotionally affected by this election, and I’m going to say a lot of things that aren’t necessarily indicative of my overall feelings about this country. For all of our faults, it’s still a country of amazing opportunity and privilege compared to a lot of other countries on this planet. I still love it here, despite being at odds with over half of my fellow citizens on a regular basis. So really, and genuinely, congratulations on becoming a citizen, and welcome to the fold.
Do you think that privilege comes from the enlightenment of our politicians? From the population as a whole just working harder than in other places? Is it perhaps conjured from magic? Or would you consider that it was privilege derived from the well-documented and brutal exploitation of the global south?
Thank you! I’m very lucky in that I was claiming what was already a birth right through my parents, so my citizenship was really not as tough as people actually immigrating and going through the whole intrusive process.
I still don’t consider the US my “home” per se, not like my birth country, but I’ve met some wonderful people, and my state is pretty blue, so I have no doubt my governor will be fighting the orange clown tooth and nail for four years. That being said, man the political atmosphere here can be…well, let’s just say I’m getting used to the “American exceptionalism” aspects of the culture.
Idk how long you’ve been here, but this is not normal. This is very wrong, and it’s disturbing how many people don’t see how far we’ve fallen. Politics has been an ever-present and disturbing part of our lives since 2016. It wasn’t like this before. But when an attention seeking narcissist entered the race, the media outlets decided to pounce upon his every worthless word, rather than ignoring him like the incompetent joke that he is. They gave him an outsized voice when he should have none, and he’s caused nothing but harm ever since.
I don’t know what the future looks like from this day forward. It could end up being nothing more than a 4 year grift (or however many years clown show lives if less than 4), or it could end up being a serious challenge to our democracy. I’m not looking forward to it, but it is decided, so here we go.
That said, I know a lot of refugees who came to this country 45-50 years ago and their lives & kid’s lives are immeasurably better than they would be in their home country. For reasons like that, I’ll always fight for what America represents. I’m hoping some day soon Americans remember our real ideals and start living them more truly.
Politics was ever-present before that, it’s ever present in human society, it’s just that some privileged middle class people choose to ignore it and largely succeed when their NPR ASMR isn’t blasting them with “ORANG MAN BAD” every hour of the day to brow beat them into caring.
It was not, but I’m not going to sit here and argue with a kid about things I lived through. And no, I wasn’t middle-class, I was deeply poor.
Perhaps you’re conflating “the electoral dog and pony show” for “politics” then, because if you were “deeply poor,” it’s hard to imagine not dealing with politics. Easy example, the cops are a pretty political institution, acting as the agents of establishment powers. Hell, the enclosure of the commons and the resultant practically monopolistic effect that landlording has is also pretty political, liberals just don’t talk about it (other than Adam Smith).
According to the numbers: independents who voted democrat in 2020 voted for Trump this time.
Ok bro, and what about the DEMOCRATS that didn’t vote this time around??
How did Harris lose 10-15 million votes + Trump lost 2 million votes from 2020 if EVERY INDEPENDENT from 2020 voted Trump?
All anyone has regarding that is annecdotal. But in my experience many friends, family, coworkers who voted democrat in 2020 were convinced by republican ads that democrats were to blame for the inflation caused by Covid and price gouging.
We literally have the numbers, it’s called “counting the ballots”. What in the post-fact world?
This has to be a troll.
Voter turnout was a record high never before seen in 2020 because of the pandemic.
Less people voted overall in 2024 because no pandemic.
Not rocket science.