I am not a teen.

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      As I said here:

      Why does it have to further the plot?! Why does sex/nudity have to justify itself when tons of movies have gratuitous action scenes and violence that add nothing to the plot? 90% of John Wick is gratuitous violence that added nothing to the story (but I still love it). Our culture celebrates violence and we’ll watch people get tortured to death without batting an eye - but if some tits show up on screen then suddenly everyone becomes a critic analyzing whether the story REALLY needed it or not.

      It’s disturbing to me that we’re culturally encouraged to find fun in violence but sex needs to be cordoned off to a containment genre and excised from mainstream art. I’m not saying it needs to be in every movie - but its been obvious for a while they’re going out of their way to avoid it, even in places where it would make sense or be fun. I want art to stop awkwardly excluding a major part of life. I want out of this “Everyone is beautiful and no one is horny” Twilight Zone multiverse that all our modern movies seem to take place in.

      Sex is too important to be left to porn.

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        Its very simple. Sex is boring to look at. Even porn. Whats the longest you watched a porn movie? 5 minutes? 15? Let’s top it off at 30 minutes. Just to be safe.

        Violence is not boring. Stuff like John Wick grabs you by the ass and puts you on a roller coaster.

        Want proof? Look at gaming. How big are the dating sims? Now compare that with call of duty/etc.

        So, me? Yeah, stop with the xxl steamy sex scenes in movies. Very rarely do they add anything more then an interlude. A time to get coffee. To look at your notifications. At best.

        To be clear: I love sex. My sex.

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          I’m not saying I want movies that have as much sex as John Wick has violence - obviously that would just be porn. My point is: why does sex have this obligation to move the plot forward when we give a pass to other gratuitous scenes (action, drama, violence, etc)?

          If you want “Everyone is beautiful and everyone is fucking,” good news- that’s called porn already, and there’s so much of it.

          The fact that you only equate sex/nudity to porn reveals the problem. Seems like many young people today can’t associate sex/nudity on a screen as art, or even just fun, anymore - because in their minds sex/nudity is inextricably tied to porn. The reality is sex/nudity can be fun, dramatic, scary, or funny depending on the context. It can have a place in many kinds of stories, and comparing it to porn is like saying “we have war documentaries so we don’t need war movies.” They are completely different things!!

          while we pitiful repressed twilight zone voyeurs awkwardly exclude sex from our public lives.

          Who said it has to be part of your “public life”? I’m not saying we should all want to watch Wild Things with our parents, but not every movie needs to be a ‘family movie’ that you’d want to watch in polite company. Some movies are best watched with rowdy friends or an intimate partner - and I’m sad that those types of movies have been in decline. The younger generations seem far more prudish than I ever expected.

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      Character development? It might not directly impact the plot or move the story forward, but how a character relates to sex can tell us (the audience) a lot about them.

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      Exactly this. A lot of media is atrocious about shoehorning in things even if they are jarring and dont make sense. Token characters (race, sexuality), token ideologies (veganism, feminism, religion, etc), stereotypes, you name it.

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        People downvoting as a reactionary for making them feel bad, but I agree.

        Having a stereotype as a character for the sake of “representation” is not representing anything good and is not doing justice to anyone who would be more than a single note character.

        I’m tired of bad writing and gimmicks to get people to have a reaction to an otherwise bad story, but that doesn’t mean I want movies with none of the topics in it, I just want it to mean something when it’s there.

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          Exactly.

          (Natural/Organic storytelling) The Boys: Maeve, Kimiko, and Starlight, beating the shit out of Stormfront

          Vs

          (Forced/jarring) That scene in Avengers Endgame, where every female character from across a massive battlefield appeared next to each other. As opposed to the scene in Infinity War with Proxima Midnight which felt fairly natural.

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            Or even better, movies actually dedicated to telling stories about underrepresented cultures such as The Woman King

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              I remember seeing trailers about that, completely forgot to actually go watch it. I’ll add it to my watch list (someday I’ll start watching things on the list)

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        Yeah because everyone in media needs to be straight, white, and Christian. 🙄

        Representation matters.

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          They’re saying that characters irrelevant to the plot having diverse roles feels forced. Wouldn’t you agree diverse roles should be in meaningful roles like leads?

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            No, I don’t think I would agree. If I walk down the street, I’m going to see people of all types. Why should including people of all types in media be any different? Having more diversity in lead roles is preferable, yes, but I don’t see what feels “forced” about more diversity across all roles. If anything, it seems like that would be more realistic.

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          Sure, but I get what they mean. Sometimes you have a minority character that doesn’t very much seem to interact with the plot, nor has many discernable personality trait beyond being part of a minority.

          Representation matters, but it should be done in a way that makes the characters actual people, not just a tick in a checkbox.

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            And there is definitely a tokenism issue in Hollywood. There’s a reason why the “gay best friend” is a Hollywood stereotype.

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    I also noticed hollywood often depict a woman cheating on the man and the man forgiving it.

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      I have noticed over the years sex scenes usually add no value to the movie. If the sex scene was removed completely it wouldn’t change the story at all.

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        Yeah, while I do enjoy seeing occasional boobs (which most of the time aren’t even showed), if I want to watch sex, I’ll just put on some porn.

        IMO, The Room is one of the few movies where the sex scenes added anything. And even then, they didn’t add anything to the plot, they added to the meta plot, which was the story of a guy with a passionate vision but lacking the talent to pull off that vision, which IMO Wiseau does have talent doing, since he’s been able to recreate that same feeling in other content, making me think he’s playing a character (Tommy Wiseau the producer) he wants the audience to laugh at.

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    Well yeah, I think this is universal. No one wants to watch a sex scene with their parents

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      I watched GoT largely with my parents. It shouldn’t be that big of a deal. That said, does it add anything? I can watch as much porn as a I want whenever I want.

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          Fair point I guess. If you want to watch porn with your parents, for some reason, but feel like that’s too far, I guess sex scenes is the best you can do.

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    I can’t think of a single sex scene in a movie that added value to it. They’re pointless and akward to both the audience and actors.

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      Right? That’s my thought. We already have a record low of sex scenes in media but people are still complaining about it?

      It’s then not about the use but some other social issue, like say social stigmas against sex by a growing authoritarian right while being an act that is performed less and less by younger people on all sides say maybe by fears of the biological outcomes of unprotected sex?

      I think it’s just stress at the thought and an avoidance tactic.

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        lots of factors, I would say. I think the main thing is that it is still taboo which means you can’t really enjoy something with sex scenes with your family and even friends. there’s also the undeniable fact that lots of sex scenes have historically been gratuitous, obviously inserted to titillate rather than honestly add anything to the story. then again, there isn’t the same kind of reaction against other types of gratuitous scenes, like violence or action.

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    The issue isn’t sex itself. It’s putting a sex scene in most movies meant for adult audiences. Imagine if there had to be a shootout or extended martial arts fight in every romance movie or Hollywood just wouldn’t fund it.

    Use it where it makes sense, and leave it in the tool box when it doesn’t.

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      It’s fucking crazy to me that this is a hot take these days. I just want movies to be good. Throwing unnecessary sex scenes into a movie to drive ratings up usually does not achieve that.

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        I saw… killing joke? Whatever movie was made off of that. The Batman Batgirl Makeout was completely unnecessary and more than a bit disturbing.

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      I thought they added romance to action movies for the female viewers. Lack of creativity turned romance into mostly sex.

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    Also not a teen, but as an asexual person I’ve been wishing for that for a while now.

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          It’s a thing that happens and kinda has to happen. there will always be a story that needs to include at least the mention of it.

          What does your affliction have to do with movies and TV for others?

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            Firstly, it’s not an affliction, just like how being straight or being allosexual isn’t an affliction.

            Secondly, rarely does a sex scene move the plot forward.

            Thirdly, less is still more.

            Fourthly, sex scenes still don’t help procreation one bit, now does it? So you didn’t answer my question, but I’m no longer interested in your answer. By calling me an affliction makes it perfectly clear to me that what you have to say isn’t interesting.

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    Not jusr sex. Most romance can be deleted from series and movies and they would not lose any plot. It is virtually always shoehorned in.

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      Yeah that annoys me actually more. You often already see in the beginning what kind of (predictable) romance is developing, which just distracts from the main and more interesting plot, adding some kind of annoying drama that is just not necessary.

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    Lol, If someone puts a gun against my head and says guess the most lied about thing in human history, honest to god I would say, Teens lying About sex.

    For some reason I question the validity of this study.

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          I think that there’s a lot of anxiety more than puritanism. There’s a lot of reasons, but one of them is certainly the growing political divide; women are trending more and more liberal, and men more and more conservative. Women don’t want to get trapped by a man that doesn’t think that she should have rights, while men seem to think that they are ‘owed’ a woman to have their babies (…and how are they going to fucking pay for those kids, when they think their wife is going to stay at home, and they have zero fucking job prospects…?).

          TBH, if I was a woman, I sure as fuck would not want to risk dating men right now.

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            Yeah I think that anxiety is the reason people don’t want to see it.

            The study also shows that they want escapism and fantasy stories that are only happy more than ever as well.
            Ignoring the harsh bits is the point and the anxiety of the topic of Sex itself is I think the key factor in it being taboo because people want to ignore that which makes them uncomfortable.

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          Absolutely. Sex is viewed as either a prideful event to be overly open about or a dark hidden secret that only one should do.

          If all we have is extremes no wonder neither side feels very interested in it. It loses the fact that it’s a thing that you just can do. It’s an action that can have lots of intent behind it and some of it is needed for procreation.
          As is now it’s too surrounded by argument.

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      There is porn now. Everyfuckingwhere. For free. So much porn. Niche porn. Hardcore porn. Fetish porn. You don’t have to jerk off to a lingirie catalog like we did when we were kids. Or sneak National Geographic magazines to see boobs. Sex in movies is just sad, stupid, and often unnecessary tittilation.

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        It’s this.

        I remember walking to the video rental store in the 90s to hire VCR tapes. We always tried to get that ones rated 18+ because there would be some boob stuff. Usually the attendant wouldn’t care.

        Now, fuck. Filtering porn out of my social media feeds is a daily ordeal.

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        So what, we’re gonna remove gore and action scenes too? I’m not saying sex scenes inherently have more “value” than any other scene, I’m not even arguing they have any “value”, but there are a lot of movies out there that are 90% “unnecessary titillation” in one way, shape, or form.

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          So what, we’re gonna remove gore and action scenes too?

          If they are unnecessary to the plot, and add nothing, then yes?

          Sex scenes are fine if they’re important to the plot, and/or they add to the movie or show in a valuable way. It just turns out that ~99% of the time, these scenes are completely unnecessary.

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      Dunno. There are better sources too look for sex. Watching a movie with your mates is just awkward.