13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
What the actual fuck?
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In time? In hue, you mean.
Seems like at some point when the immigrants started getting a bit less pale in appearance. I don’t think the US has an immigrant problem really. I think it’s just plain old fashioned racism dressed up with a fancier word.
I don’t know, but the lines are weird as fuck at this point.
After working construction for decades I can say that American workers are shit compared to foreigners. Muslim workers are the hardest. Especially from Ethiopia or Somalia. They learn fast too and are better in many cases than Mexican or SA workers. PLUS no drug or alcohol or daddy/mommy/religious issues.
When I was building in Africa we finished a project 3 days early. They didn’t even have the skills, we taught on site. That would NEVER happen with regular Americans.
Those are immigrants though. Have you ever seriously looked into the bullshit you need to go through to move to another country? It’s insane.
Every immigrant is more impressive than any Olympian.
1/3 of Americans are terrible people.
This is why GW Bush and Trump got elected. There is about 30% that will always vote for R.
Says the country that is 99% immigrant blood
Remember that a horrifying number of people, especially conservatives, are invaluable of caring about - or even noticing - any problem that doesn’t personally impact themselves.
Yeah the non immigrant blood is the one they spilled
Any issue any position, you can get 25% to agree. Another 5% is rounding error. Another 3% you get from trolls.
Just like that, you can get 1/3 support for anything you want and clickbait your way to victory!
As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.
People forget very quickly. Just look at what’s happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It’s like everyone’s ignoring history.
Yes, and people who forget history are destined to repeat it. It’s sad to hear some people in Germany wanting to “get over” our history…
America’s entire Capitalist model is based on 3-month cycles of amnesia. It is designed to forget. Business could be run successful, profitable, and non-asshole, but the hunt for the next quarterly positive shareholder report by design blinds them permanently from comprehending history.
You don’t have to be German. Just slightly educated.
Unfortunately, it’s specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
You’re right. I just meant that with the background of our history, that it’s something that wasn’t just said, but actually happened, it feels more concerning.
So a third of the country are Nazis.
Not racists, not misinformed, not uneducated, but actual Nazis.
In ~20 days, the most powerful and dangerous country on earth may well elect a party of Nazis to rule them.
God help us all.
Well, seeing as 1/3 of Americans are brainwashed by mass media into following whatever hype train is set forth by the rich, I can see that. If their favorite corporate owned and ran “news” told them they didn’t need to eat, they would stop eating.
America is home to racist morons, has been since July 4th, 1776. Most of the Founding Fathers owned slaves, and the Senate and Electoral College were established to ease the slave owners/states that their “property” would remain theirs.
We’ve been a nation of hypocritical xenophobes who taught freedom and liberty while giving none of it to the majority, and every time we try to fix that they double down and make things worse. Not a single time has the US Government (or any government for that matter, but that’s more a “whatabout” in this topic) given people what they wanted freely, and peacefully.
If we wanted to get rid of brain dead morons, we would solved it in the Civil War and Reconstitution. Second chance was in the 1960s when we were breaking down the barriers. Instead we still placated to the racists because we didn’t want to be too mean to the racist, sexist morons who started the mess in the first place.
I searched for the actual question text and found:
Q19a. The immigrants entering the country illegally today are poisoning the blood of our country.
The split was 14% completely agreed and 20% mostly agreed.
I’m not as surprised by the results as the headline would have suggested because of the use of the word illegally. It biases the question negatively.
The 20% who mostly agreed may have agreed with some negative connotation surrounding illegal immigration while ignoring the racism of “poisoning the blood.” In other words, if I put myself in the shoes of someone who feels strongly about securing the border, I could understand how those respondents would lean towards agree simply because of the use of the word “illegal.”
To further support this interpretation: In the same survey, more than 40% of respondents favor or strongly favor building a wall along the US-Mexico border.
Maybe I’m just optimistic that only around an eighth of the country is completely crazy and that is just a less clickbaity title.
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
I have my problems with immigration. I don’t necessarily blame the individuals, well, some of them because some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to. And it can be frustrating to deal with. It’s not entirely their fault that businesses seem to see them as just labor fodder as well as the government sees them as economic fodder.
It’s an issue that needs to be discussed and addressed. People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic. But I bet you may have a change of mind if you ever come across a couple of the scenarios I’ve exampled. We have problems in our country when it comes to the homeless, to the veterans and to the poor. I think it is absolutely unfair and unwarranted to prioritize thousands of migrants who come here over all of them.
That is where I think the agreement is coming from. I don’t agree with Trump’s way of handling it (then again every “solution” he comes up with is incredibly extremist and impossible to pull off, especially if it’s coming from him.) I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
We need to sit down and analyze the immigration policy closely, that has been broken for years. Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now? For christ sake.
If we continue to not fix this problem, America just going to be weighed down the same way Canada got weighed down. The same way some parts of the EU got weighed down. America is just going to follow suit.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic” or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Come on people, let’s be adults and actually address the issue to fix it, huh?
Edit: And of course as expected, three people already came up to bat and readily swung and missed by getting too emotional with their responses. That’s not really taking the issue like an adult.
Is that what you think really happened? Can you quote this emotionality from my response since I was one of those three?
Witness this right wing authoritarian whining about getting ratio’d for spouting Moral-Fear-Propaganda openly dehumanizing one group of people under another, crying about it.
Fascism is a virus all of it’s own, a weird evil in a bad way, the only kinds of degenerates with the only kind of kinks society must stop. Their bloodlust is the poison. This White-Supermacist, Eugenicist Cancer asks you to turn your neighbor in and destroys every nation that obliges.
So reader, Solidarity Forever. Ill promise you, you promise me, to never sell each other out to these murderous theives. I’ll call you on your shit, please call me on mine. We’ll work together, and our grass will be the greener in time. ❤️🔥
(Obvs wont be replying, will be mute-block-deleting any interactions from bigots)
Man you’re so uneducated, all you know is buzzwords and regurgitated drum lines.
I think you may have missed the point of the article. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume democrats don’t want to do anything about immigration. Trump and Biden both have basically the same plan to address illegal immigration. Harris’ plan is similar to both of theirs as well.
Illegal immigration is not nearly as serious as the average Republican might believe. They add strain to systems already working beyond their limits, but legal or illegal migrant workers aren’t displacing citizens at work and aren’t leading to the kinds of outcomes Mr. Trump would like his followers to believe. It does happen occasionally, but not enough to justify the alarming hate filled rhetoric.
The problem is that “poisoning the blood” is nakedly racist. The phrase has been used for over 100 years as a dog whistle for white nationalism. How can you have a rational discussion about addressing the real problems that enable illegal immigrants (American businesses hiring them) or the additional strain they put on already over worked and under funded public services if one side is ideologically set on the notion that migrants are evil?
I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that democrats don’t want to address the border. Safe, legal migration into the United States benefits everyone. If we streamlined the legal immigration process and cracked down hard on businesses and individuals hiring undocumented migrants, that would address the bulk of migrants illegally crossing our borders.
Perhaps we make it a felony with mandatory jail time (per infraction) to hire an undocumented worker or own a company that employs them. Or perhaps we remove the exemptions some types of businesses enjoy from paying minimum wage. One of the reasons businesses hire illegal immigrants in the first place is they are cheaper than American workers because you can pay them less than minimum wage.
Right now there are a lot of businesses that benefit from cheap migrant labor, if we can break that trend, some of those businesses will fold, for sure. But do we want to let failed businesses that can’t stay open without breaking the laws of the United States to continue to operate?
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Uh…no, I have no problem with an immigrant getting a job in my country. Or having a place to live.
If you aren’t okay with those, then when you say “immigration”, you might be thinking of “tourism”. If you’re not okay with immigrants having a job and a place to live, you’re not okay with tourism.
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I have every right to be here as you do. Why should you get a job that we both applied for just because you were born here?
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I guess they should have had better qualifications.
Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Are you repeating a JD Vance talking point here? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jd-vance-debate-immigration-housing-prices-real-estate-federal-reserve/
some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to.
That country being the “great melting pot” where those cultures get adopted by and integrated into society?
People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic.
Except all the people loudly talking about it all the time.
I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
Please name the people who want open borders.
Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now?
You mean why do they not have a solution you’ll accept.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic”
Possibly.
or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Really everyone came from somewhere else. If we all go back to where our most distant ancestors came from, that spot in Africa is going to be really crowded.
I’m willing to concede that while indigenous peoples are technically immigrants, they don’t really need to be viewed that way for practical purposes.
It’s about colonised or coloniser, with drastically different privilege and safety for white folks than someone with melanin. You can play nuance games all you want, in the end this is pitting proles against proles for the sake of empire building. The common person would be much safer, happier and harmonious in the world of Land Back than the Neo-Colonialism we endure.
The Imperial Middle: Why Americans cant think straight about class
The US has a growing fascism problem
It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he’s an aberration
Fascism is the problem. Trump is a very notable symptom, but many others are also to blame for the fascism issue, including some democrats. I believe this fixation with Trump is due to people wanting simple answers to complex problems.
The fixation is because there is no clear line of succession. If he fails, who steps in? They’ll splinter and fragment. They’ll still be deplorable, but less effective when not united behind a single authoritarian leader.
Like how democrats splintered and fragmented when Biden stepped down?
They’ll reform and continue gaining power in lower-level positions until the next election, like they’ve been doing since 2020
I cannot emphasize how naieve it is to think this problem will go away if all we do is beat trump, or even if he dies or gets incarcerated.
Democrats aren’t authoritarians. It’s a bad comparison. Democrats are always fragmented, it’s virtually a defining characteristic. Post-Biden unity has been quite unusual.
Like I said, it’s incredibly naive to think this problem goes away when Trump does.
If you say so.
The symptom is on the brink of winning everything.
When you have a 42 °C fever, you focus on the fever before worrying about the infection. Dead people don’t need antibiotics.
Horrifying
its the 100% venn overlap of racists. america is still pretty full up on people who hate other people for no reason but race
The real racists are the ones calling people racist just because they hate people for no reason but race.
How?
Racists are not a protected group. Its totally fine and important to hate racists
Obvious sarcasm getting down votes …
I was seriously considering adding a /s but I was like nah, that’s lame it should be obvious.
Poe’s Law strikes again. There are people who actually say that and mean it.
I feel that they would at least change the framing instead of directly mirroring the OP. “Hating people for no reason but their race” is pretty clearly the definition of racism. Usually racists reframe their argument as actually being about criminality or at the very least some fear of cultural change.
I wonder how many of those people are children of immigrants.
(although, in a broader view, probably all of them are at least descendants of immigrants)
Donald Trump is the child of an immigrant. His mother was from Scotland.
Of course, that makes her the “right kind” of immigrant.
And then there’s two of the mothers of four of his children. Ivana and Melania, both immigrants.
His new bestie, Musk, is 1st generation. As is Thiel. I’d be fine with deporting them though.
I agree. In fact, can we really be sure that any other billionaires might or might not be immigrants? We should probably round them all up just to be safe. We can deport the ones we think are immigrants and worry about the rest later.
I’m struggling here to avoid being offensive - but really, Americans often appear to me to be averaging subhuman intelligence.
Yesterday I was reading about Latino MAGA’s who just assume Trump isn’t talking about them…
I thought that same
But actually, after visiting Denver I was super surprised by how friendly and normal people were
I’d easily live there (and no, I’m not a weed smoker. Never tried it, no plans to, do doesn’t influence my decision)
I’m not saying America is the center of world intellectualism, but you’re also getting quite a selection bias since “stupid American” stories are even popular to other Americans.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
Great man, that George Carlin, great man.
everyone thinks they are the leopard eating faces until a bigger leopard eats their face.
Just a reminder, there were “Jews for Hitler”. We can guess what happened to them after hitler rose to power.
This might be a controversial take, but I don’t think racist bigotry is an intelligence thing
The study and measure of intelligence itself is a piece of the rationalization of racism.
We owe a lot of our scientific inheritance to genociders and racists and eugenicists - I wouldn’t be quick to assume the MAGA base is just a bunch of dimwitted Americans.
When 33% of the population agree that immigrants ‘poison the blood’ - what’s your take on that?
Should we assume that some very well balanced people believe that foreigners have poisonous blood?
My take? That a third of the american population has taken a liking to fascism.
Fascism isn’t borne out of stupidity, it’s borne out of greed and desperation. Sure, some of those people are probably as dumb as a bag of rocks (any slice of the american population is liable to have a few), but most are likely just your average-intelligence american who has taken their feelings of fear or envy and rationalized them into fascism.
People like Josef Mangele don’t become famous because they’re dumb - they become famous because they end up wielding their intelligence against humanity. If we were to assume that everyone with those beliefs is dumb, we’d misunderstand what motivates them and we’d waste our time trying to educate them out of bigotry.
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Using “subhuman” for persons while arguing against eugenics…
You can’t make that stuff up
