They are supposed to be grown from spores, so what use are ork nipples?

  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    19 days ago

    Lore hasn’t clarified it officially but I suspect their nipples are just a specialized form of squig.

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    19 days ago

    I mean, human men have nipples and there’s no use for them there either. Evolution doesn’t get rid of things because they aren’t useful anymore, it only gets rid of things when they become detrimental to the survival of the species.

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      19 days ago

      Human men have nipples because human women have nipples and human men having nipples doesn’t significantly impair human men.

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      19 days ago

      Nipples are sensitive and sensitive things can help with arousal and reproduction. That makes them useful for the population in general, even if not everyone is into it.

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    19 days ago

    Which Ork models have nipples?

    I can’t say my knowledge of the current range is exhaustive, but I can’t think of a single model that has one from the 1998 - 2016 era. There’s a runtherd with a piercing where a nipple would be, but no nipple.

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    19 days ago

    Well they’re an evolutionarily manufactured race, so likely the base template had them originally but post intervention they remained as a vestigial organ.

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    19 days ago

    They have been engineered by the Old Ones. So I’m just gonna assume, they didn’t think of that when the Necron and C’tan came knocking on their doors.

    • borZ0 the t1r3D b3aR@lemmy.world
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      19 days ago

      psychological warfare. First thing the Necron & C’tan did in battle was hesitate thinking, “wtf? do those monsters have nipples?”

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        19 days ago

        Causing a couple of circuits to burn out. Kickstarting the Flayed Ones.

        I am adapting this as headcanon now.

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    19 days ago

    You see this discourse come up from time to time in other fantasy settings. I remember there being quite a stir over whether lizardfolk in other media should have breasts.

    I’m not deep into the Warhammer lore, but there’s a few things I know about orkz:

    • They grow from spores like a fungus
    • They were manufactured by some other race as a sort of guardian caste
    • They have potent psychic powers that manipulate reality around them

    My theory is that the folks who created the orkz had nipples themselves. Impressionable young orkz saw that their creators were fully grown and had nipples, so maybe they thought they ought to get some as they mature. If they believe that should happen, then it’ll find a way to happen.

    Later orkz would have seen that the previous generation of orkz had nipples, so they would continued growing in this way.

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      19 days ago

      They have potent psychic powers that manipulate reality around them

      I read once that this is why they paint their vehicles red. Because they believe that red makes it go faster, and with their latent psychic ability, the red ships actually DO go faster, because they believe so strongly in it.

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        19 days ago

        My personal favorite, some kommandos believing painting themselves purple would make them sneakier because no one’s ever seen a purple ork.

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          18 days ago

          There’s also the fan theory that the only thing keeping the Emperor barely alive is the combined power of all Orks who consider him a worthy and immortal opponent.

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            19 days ago

            One of the old codex books. It’s going back decades however. The works have changed a lot from that era. It was the same codex as the buzzer squig catapult, if that helps narrow it down.

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            18 days ago

            That he installed an eye socket laser to reinforce their belief in the death stare might help with lethality too

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              Oh sure, but the rumors of the Bale Eye existed before the implant did. That thing is only about as strong as a laspistol. Sure it’ll burn a hole through your trousers but it’s isn’t about to explode a charging Ork into bloody chunks. All that power comes from the gestalt field, presumably.

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        19 days ago

        Mhhh this has norhing to do with 40k lore, It’s just empirically proven that red vehicles go faster

    • borZ0 the t1r3D b3aR@lemmy.world
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      … honestly, the most likely argument is that they saw other races and collectively assumed they ought to have nipples too (oi! why dem pink skins 'ave dots on em? Orkzz ought 'ave em too!! wauuugh) also and so they manifested them. now its just part of their genetic code and none of them ask why anymore.

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        Orkz are no strangers to krumpin’ gitz because they aren’t Orky enough though. Even their own clan. I find it hard to believe they’d be easily peer pressured into having nipples, let alone by other species.

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          That’s not peer pressure, that’s cultural osmosis. If other species tried to force them to have nipples, then they would resist

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        19 days ago

        Hmmm. Can’t say I’ve licked one personally, but I see what you’re seeing. I guess I meant an actual use for them. More of a rhetorical question I guess.

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            It is. I wasn’t being specific enough, sorry. Actual use in terms of evolutionary fitness. There are no reasons for them evolutionarily other than they are a byproduct of fetal development.

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              That’s the thing with natural selection though, as long as a trait isn’t deleterious and it’s common enough it’ll generally stick around. There’s no pressure for males to not have nipples.

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                  Doesn’t matter. There’s no reason to not have nipples, and going down the evolution rabbit hole to change that isn’t worth the random mutations that are more likely to just straight up kill males during development or something. In biology fitness just means the ability to successfully reproduce, not actually who’s stronger or more efficient. Your entire body is built on the concept of, “good enough to get the job done.”

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              19 days ago

              Anything that makes people hornier and more likely to procreate is an evolutionary advantage.

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                18 days ago

                I suppose you’re right. It’s not just things that help things live longer or thrive in a specific environment.

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      Because males were females until the right amount of chemicals were introduced to the fetus. Take enough estrogen and males can produce milk and no longer have useless nipples.

    • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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      They actually are capable of producing a small amount of milk, it’s just that doing that requires so much effort for so little reward that feeding babies became the mother’s job after a few thousand generations of mammals being a thing.