• jwt@programming.dev
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    11 months ago

    Orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered — are you sure?

    Well, I ‘might’ not order from you again then — are you sure?

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    11 months ago

    It does, but the thinking here is that the dasher basically loses money taking no tip orders. Which in my Nordic mind is a fucked up business model. A living wage should be the minimum requirement.

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      11 months ago

      It’s worse. They aren’t employees. They are independent contractors who in many cases assume all liability and have to pay their own payroll taxes. Most aren’t reporting it to their insurance company, much less thinking about retirement and healthcare. It only really works as a temporary side gig.

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        11 months ago

        Under EU-Law you might not fall under independent contractor because most of the income and how you do your job is dictated by a single company.
        You automatically fall under regulations for employers and get those protections too. Company that try to do this have to tread very carefully not to fall into that.

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          11 months ago

          I was speaking for Americans. Companies like Door Dash are practically experiments in avoiding labor laws .

    • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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      11 months ago

      Look at the socialist over here guys, over here in America we let our children go without lunch if they can’t afford it. How else will they learn that they need to be a productive member of society?

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      11 months ago

      A reasonable tip ensures that someone will accept your order. Nobody is forced to go pick your food up.

      I did a bunch of ride-a-longs with my buddy during COVID. Watching him decide which orders to accept was fascinating. There are lots of variables, and a reasonable tip was a requirement.

      It basically boiled down to how much money per mile.

      Some shady people will put a $20 at first, but then change it to $0 after the food is delivered – not based on bad or slow service, but because they are assholes. The $20 is to get a Dasher to accept the order quickly. Bait and switch.

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        11 months ago

        A reasonable tip ensures that someone will accept your order. Nobody is forced to go pick your food up.

        I member when restaurants employed drivers that actually delivered reliably without needing to bid for their attention first. Hard to forget since I was one of them!

        Hourly pay was regular minimum wage instead of the server level chump change, and when using my own car I received an amount for wear and tear + gas. So in my case tips were actual tips on top of a living wage and even if nobody had tipped it would have been an alright job.

        I can’t imagine trying to do the same thing for only tips.

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    11 months ago

    Stop using DoorDash and other delivery services. They’re a huge scam and you end up paying double for cold food that someone might have tampered with.

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      11 months ago

      This. They are predatory to their drivers, their customers, and the restaurants they almost blackmail into using them. Awful awful company.

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      11 months ago

      Where I live it’s about £2 more on a order of any cost. That’s not even close to being double, especially with a minimum spend of £10 lol.

      Hyperbolic comments are everywhere /s

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        11 months ago

        Indian take out for my wife costs about $44.

        The same items ordered on the delivery apps comes out to about $56 and then after fees and tips is roughly $80.

        I wish these companies were only $2 more expensive than just going to the restaurant.

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        11 months ago

        Turns out some places are different. Weird, right?

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    11 months ago

    What I do:

    $0 tip

    In the special instructions: “Ring doorbell for cash tip. Do not just leave at door”.

    Traffic in my area is awful so I always tip $20 no matter the order. Sometimes that comes to almost an 80% tip but a) I know it goes to the driver, b) I don’t have to drive in that shitshow, and c) I reward a driver for actually reading the special instructions.

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      11 months ago

      Yeah and all 100 of the orders I’ve delivered who made the same promise ended with no tip. That’s bait. I don’t bite hooks.

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        11 months ago

        Don’t you have to accept the order before you can read the special instructions?

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      11 months ago

      Dashers can see what you tip on the app on average and nobody will pick up your order unless it’s extremely convenient for them. They don’t see the instructions until they pick up the order.

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        11 months ago

        Yep. It is another reason I overtip in cash. If this person is desperate enough to grab a “no tip” order, they probably need the $20 tip on a $36 order more than most.

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      11 months ago

      Oh, that’s a good way to get them to ring the bell. I tried making them ring the bell other ways, but they never do. Uber Eats has a feature where they need to get a code from you to prove they handed you the food. I had several drivers leave the food at the door and then text me, asking me for the code. Fuck off

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      11 months ago

      Yea DoorDash and the like are inherently reliant on tipping. If you don’t like tipping in general then fair enough, just order somewhere that pays minimum wage+ (aka not doordash)

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        11 months ago

        Honestly that’s not something I really consider. I don’t make it my policy to try to analysis someone’s pay.

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          11 months ago

          It’s not really about analyzing someone’s pay, just choosing a place that hires employees, not contractors

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    11 months ago

    The purpose of tips has gone away in the US. You are supposed to tip after the delivery for a good service. Now you have to “tip” for a good service.

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      11 months ago

      If you have to tip to get someone to provide a service your already paying for then that is a bribe.

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        11 months ago

        You literally always pay the wages of the people that work for companies.

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            11 months ago

            As is this. I have no idea why people here are convinced tipping is somehow bad for employees and good for employers

            It’s literally the same thing you just are more aware of it.

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              11 months ago

              It’s not the same thing. Tipping is a psychological game that pits customers and servers against each other. It’s “how little can I tip before they tamper with my food” versus “how indebted can I make them feel before they reject it and leave without tipping”

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                11 months ago

                It’s “how little can I tip before they tamper with my food”

                Normal people never, ever think this.

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                  11 months ago

                  I didn’t realize you’re the spokesperson for all normies, what an honor. Really though, it is a common sentiment, especially with pre-tipping. When they flip around that iPad and glare at you, there is definitely a sense that the probability of them spitting in your food is not 0% if you hit the no tip button.

                  Baristas post on their social media about giving non-tippers decaf all the time. If that’s what they are willing to share publicly to the entire world, imagine what people are willing to do secretly.

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      11 months ago

      Not sure about a decrease, but you can easily get it fully refunded if they fuck up. I tip really well because I used to be a food courier myself. Every few months some idiot delivers my pizza upside down or leaves my order outside my building and I get my tip refunded with ease. I have no idea if that money is refunded from the dasher’s pay though.

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    11 months ago

    People on all these astro-turfed anti-tipping posts always have the same AI generated talking points. Rarely ever do these people actually talk about STOPPING using the apps and STOPPING going to restaurants. Stop making “tip culture” the fault of the worker. It is 100% on the business owner for not paying their staff appropriately for the work performed. Not tipping rewards the business and punishes the worker.

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    11 months ago

    All the bullshit with tipping on food delivery apps made me stop using them years ago.

    First I hear the apps are stealing tips. Then they’re not stealing tips anymore. Then maybe they’re stealing some of the tips.

    To try and avoid all that I tried to use cash. The drivers don’t get their base rate reduced and they get the entire, non-reportable cash tip. Then my food started taking twice as long and arriving cold because the drivers thought I was stiffing them.

    My theory is the apps do this (pre-tipping) on purpose to discourage cash and after-tipping so they can lower what they pay the driver and they’ll still accept the order because they see the higher after tip amount. So now the apps might not be technically stealing tips, but they’re using up front tips to allow them to reduce their shitty base rate for everyone.

    Now if want delivery it’s pizza, Chinese, or one of the few other places with their own drivers. I’ve had this policy for years now and I don’t see myself ever going back unless it’s an emergency.

    Bonus to me: all my takeout/delivery is now 20-30% cheaper. Everyone should really take a look at the inflated prices they’re paying and decide if it’s really worth saving a short drive.

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      Ya I used to always tip cash but stopped all food delivery entirely ~5yr ago. By turning food delivery into a live auction everybody loses except the company running the service. Drivers compete against eachother accepting the absolute lowest fees while customers need to play the game of choosing an appropriate tip for a prompt delivery while also ideally not shorting the employee who ultimately accepts the order. But since to accept the order they need to compete with other drivers it’s naturally going to lead to them accepting lower prices, allowing the delivery company to pocket the difference. Not a good system.