• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die and how many more people must suffer under poverty in the name of the great American empire?

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      There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die

      None, if Israel’s enemies surrender and end the war. That’s how war works.

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        Do you genuinely think thats how the world work? Not Israel nor the Israeli people will ever know peace as long as Israel exists as an extension of the American Empire. If all of Israels enemies surrender then the American Empire will simply create new enemies for them to fight in their perpetual endless war.

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          Not Israel nor the Israeli people will ever know peace as long as Israel exists as an extension of the American Empire.

          We’ll know peace because everyone like you, everyone who won’t accept a Jewish state in the Middle East, will fight until you die. And you’ll lose.

          Peace comes at the end of war.

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            Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet? Throughout history Israel has backstabbed allies and continuously made its own enemies. Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO. Peace was never the goal of Israel, it was always conflict. Whenever the knesset members protest the war theyre called traitors and even beaten up. How many people must die for your dream of a so called Jewish state and for whom would the state truly be for. We can tell by the rise of Kahanism to that the Jewish state is clearly not for all Jews.

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              Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet?

              When did Israel “hold” Lebanon?

              Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO.

              Were either Hamas or the PLO allies of Israel? If the PLO was the ally of Israel then why did they kill the entire Israeli Olympics team in Munich?

              Peace was never the goal of Israel

              Peace has always been the goal of Israel. The elimination of all Jews has always been the goal of Hezbollah and Hamas and they’ll die for it.

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                Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon. Also once again you’re missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies. Im addition you’re still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests. It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.

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                  Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon.

                  You said “hold”, like they were in control of the place.

                  Now you’re just saying they invested there.

                  Also once again you’re missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies.

                  But your point is wrong - they were created to be allies. Allies of Iran, which is who created them. That’s why Hezbollah promotes Shia Islam in Lebanon.

                  Im addition you’re still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests.

                  Waving terms like “war economics” and “foreign interests” without meaning anything by them doesn’t help your argument; Iran faces the same incentives for war against Israel that anyone else would.

                  It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.

                  If Israel is nothing but an American vassal state, the vanguard of our imperial ambitions in the Middle East (lol, who cares about that shithole desert) then why have we placed Israel under arms embargo literally every time they’ve been attacked by Arabs?

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                    1. Money is a form of control, if you control a countries economy you effectively control the country.

                    2. Hamas received direct Israeli funding

                    3. My point is that war economics inherently benefits the American Empire

                    4. Israel exists as an outpost for American troops to exhert power in the region. In addition America has sent more money to Israel then every other country. I think it was said best by Joe Biden “If Israel didn’t exist we would have to make one”.

                    5. The idea that Israel wants peace is absurd, the people maybe but its clear that the colonial ambitions of the Israeli government will never be satisfied nor its lust for violence. In addition factually speaking Israel is a colonial outpost, early Israeli colonizers openly called themselves colonizers until the term become no longer cool.