I pretty extremely anti Israel, especially right now for obvious reasons. But you’re right. I can see the motivation, and how fear of antisemitism is justified.
So yeah I’m sympathetic to the concept, but not the execution.
I think this is where I’m at, too. Sure, the Jewish people should have a nation state that represents their interests, the same way catholics have the Vatican. It’s too bad Israel isn’t doing that for them right now :(
Yeah I’m anti Zionist for sure and the new phase of the genocide took it from a “I’m uncomfortable talking about this position I learned from Jewish people because people may think I support the rising antisemitism” to “silence is compliance both in the Israeli genocide of Gaza and in the rising antisemitism in America”.
I’m sympathetic to the initial Zionist movement because I see a lot of similarities between my community (queer people) and Jewish communities experiences and I deeply understand the “this keeps happening and wouldn’t if we could have a country of our own” feeling. But there is no terra nullius worth living on. When I dream of a queer Antarctic nation I understand that that if it were to happen so too would tragedy. Palestine appears to have been inhabited by our genus since before the differentiation of Homo sapiens. When the Jewish diaspora of Palestine occurred it wasn’t total, and even if it was those who moved in weren’t the aggressors here.
So yeah, some of the most traumatized people the world has seen were given the money and arms to take back their ancestral homeland from people they were able to pretend weren’t their long distant relatives who never left. In an act of perceived self preservation a bunch of Holocaust survivors and escapees, with the permission of the colonial holding nation inflicted hell on the people of Palestine. Some of these invaders were sympathetic, some were not, that’s how mass human tragedy tends to go. But to this day Israel is a nation forged out of the Holocaust and those who can’t understand or acknowledge that can’t present arguments that are fair to all sides. This conflict is a cycle of tragedy, hate, and fear.
I pretty extremely anti Israel, especially right now for obvious reasons. But you’re right. I can see the motivation, and how fear of antisemitism is justified.
So yeah I’m sympathetic to the concept, but not the execution.
I think this is where I’m at, too. Sure, the Jewish people should have a nation state that represents their interests, the same way catholics have the Vatican. It’s too bad Israel isn’t doing that for them right now :(
Yeah I’m anti Zionist for sure and the new phase of the genocide took it from a “I’m uncomfortable talking about this position I learned from Jewish people because people may think I support the rising antisemitism” to “silence is compliance both in the Israeli genocide of Gaza and in the rising antisemitism in America”.
I’m sympathetic to the initial Zionist movement because I see a lot of similarities between my community (queer people) and Jewish communities experiences and I deeply understand the “this keeps happening and wouldn’t if we could have a country of our own” feeling. But there is no terra nullius worth living on. When I dream of a queer Antarctic nation I understand that that if it were to happen so too would tragedy. Palestine appears to have been inhabited by our genus since before the differentiation of Homo sapiens. When the Jewish diaspora of Palestine occurred it wasn’t total, and even if it was those who moved in weren’t the aggressors here.
So yeah, some of the most traumatized people the world has seen were given the money and arms to take back their ancestral homeland from people they were able to pretend weren’t their long distant relatives who never left. In an act of perceived self preservation a bunch of Holocaust survivors and escapees, with the permission of the colonial holding nation inflicted hell on the people of Palestine. Some of these invaders were sympathetic, some were not, that’s how mass human tragedy tends to go. But to this day Israel is a nation forged out of the Holocaust and those who can’t understand or acknowledge that can’t present arguments that are fair to all sides. This conflict is a cycle of tragedy, hate, and fear.