• crashfrog@sopuli.xyz
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    2 months ago

    The idea that we have to tolerate intolerance is an incorrect resolution of the paradox.

    But I’m saying we shouldn’t tolerate intolerance. You’re the one saying we have to.

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      But I’m saying we shouldn’t tolerate intolerance. You’re the one saying we have to.

      The opposite is in fact true. The fascists have breached the social contract of tolerance with their disinformation campaign. If they are not going to follow the agreement, then they are not protected by it. In other words, standing up against the fascists does not make us fascists. We should strategically defend our lives and liberties as needed. To do otherwise would make us complicit in our own destruction.

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        2 months ago

        The fascists have breached the social contract of tolerance with their disinformation campaign

        I don’t think there was ever a “social contract” where we agreed that you couldn’t send things through the mail that weren’t socially determined to be “true”, but if we ever did, you’re violating the compact by describing gender reassignment treatment as “lifesaving” when the best evidence on the issue is that it’s neutral at best.

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            2 months ago

            “Your child will commit suicide if their gender is not reassigned” is an example of misinformation, but I suspect you don’t see any problem with distributing that view via the post office.

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              No one is saying that it will be deadly, always. What depriving a trans person from gender affirming care does is make them miserable, drive them towards unhealthy coping mechanism and raises suicidality.

              The evidence is neutral at best, yeah?

              There’s also a meta review, that, while saying that more rigorous research is needed, says

              Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment

              So, stop lying.

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                No one is saying that it will be deadly, always. What depriving a trans person from gender affirming care does is make them miserable, drive them towards unhealthy coping mechanism and raises suicidality.

                But the care results in no reduction in suicidality.

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                  After adjusting for potential confounders, accessing GAH during early adolescence (aOR = 0.4, 95% CI = 0.2-0.6, p < .0001), late adolescence (aOR = 0.5, 95% CI = 0.4-0.7, p < .0001), or adulthood (aOR = 0.8, 95% CI = 0.7-0.8, p < .0001) was associated with lower odds of past-year suicidal ideation when compared to desiring but never accessing GAH. In post hoc analyses, access to GAH during adolescence (ages 14-17) was associated with lower odds of past-year suicidal ideation (aOR = 0.7, 95% CI = 0.6-0.9, p = .0007) when compared to accessing GAH during adulthood.

                  Okay you’re just straight up lying now. I’m done here, piss off.

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                    2 months ago

                    These are low-quality studies that ignore confounders and don’t include people who resolve their dysphoria by other means, including by no longer experiencing it.