On so many different news items, threads, etc. People are the first to claim pretty much anyone who has made a mistake, or does something they disagree with deserves to die.
Like, do some people not have the capability to empathise and realise they might have been in a similar place if they were born in a different environment…
I genuinely understand, you think a politician who has lead to countless deaths, a war criminal, or a mass rapists deserves to die.
But here people say it for stuff that falls way below the bar.
A contracted logger of a rainforest (who knows if they have the money / opportunity to support their family another way). Deserves to die.
A civilian of Nazi germany of whom we know nothing about their collaboration/agreement with the regime. Deserves to die.
Some person who was a drug dealer and then served their time. Deserves to die.
Like I don’t get it? Are people not able to imagine the kind of situations that create these people, and that it’s not impossible to imagine the large majority of people in these positions if born in a different environment?
We have an extreme aversion to people who use manipulation tactics and want to be rid of them in the world.
Screw this bullshit, stop trying to normalize the deadly atrocious behavior from these right wing zealots
Yeah. The right wing zealot behaviour of killing anyone you don’t like.
Oh no, won’t someone think of the people speed running the destruction of our planet and causing suffering to so many innocent people.
Yeah I’m all for killing the few politicians and billionaires doing that, if they don’t stop with warning. Because they are the root of the problem.
But killing the many working class people who may have little choice and not have the education necessary to know they are contributing to bad is counterproductive and difficult to justify.
The people who get them into power, who vote and support them, who harass those speaking out against them, are not innocent victims.
There is no little choice, they have all the choice they can get, they choose to be pieces of shit.
Imagine acting as if millions and millions of grown adults are completely hapless little things forced into a life of right wing bullshit because they never bothered to look outside their bubble.
Because it’s a bit of an echo chamber and people get too involved in stuff with anonymity. You will find this sort of social behaviour all over the internet and from any “camp”. It’s just bad people.
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It’s a lot easier to feel like you’re not involved when you’re behind a screen hundreds of miles away.
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A lot of perceived suffering in this world can make a person feel as though a lot of people do on fact deserve to die.
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Because they’re a stranger. I don’t know them and probably never will. Oh they did something shitty that cost someone else their life? Good, they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.
Because I don’t know them and they commited something I think is evil. There’s no purpose in me humanizing them. I humanize the actual people in life I interact with.
Also its impotent rage
Thats brainless tbh. Thats the type of mindset that makes everyone a slave to their emotions because they all just react without thinking deeply/compassionately.
Its simply a lack of self control and critical thinking that leads people to lose their empathy
Ok. Don’t really care about what some random asshole online thinks I’m just explaining to OP.
I’m not changing.
I’ve found that people on the internet generally have low empathy. If it’s not animal or child abuse, the responses are all over the place.
Hiding behind keyboard is easy.
Why should people be nice online when there are no tangible consequences to them being evil?
Because it isn’t just “nice” not to kill people for these things. It’s what you’d expect that large majority of people to think.
The majority of people probably do think that… but they don’t consider other internet denizens people.
Hard for me not to. I’m disabled to the point I’m unable to communicate in real life (lost ability to speak or hear), and am bedridden. So communicating via texting/phone is my only way.
I’m with you on the confusion because it’s like… I don’t feel the need to act this way, why do other people? What drives them that, in a void, they resort to these thoughts and behaviors? Is this who they really are, or is it an act, like doing an evil playthrough in a game. “I want to because I can here, and I can’t anywhere else?”
Really relate with your comment.
anonymity allows people to be not very nice
There’s a blast from the past.
2004
There is a pretty decent chance I saw that on the day it was posted. I feel old. 😔
You’re not nice! I wish you were dead!
same
Wait, you wish thouartfrugal were dead? Or you wish yourself were dead?
Phrasing left your statement vague.
I wouldnt wish death on someone else
That’s horribly unempathetic of you.
im sorry?
I just said how after a certain amount of time, people begin suffering if they live that long. We’ve never seen what happens if a person live to be 150 years old, but I assume it would be a level of suffering that people who are 105 haven’t even begun to experience, and never will.
You saying that people should live forever, just means they get about 90ish years of decent living, and then an eternity of suffering. I’m saying that everybody deserves to die.
Life is cheap on the internet, because people feel far removed (and/or “above it”). Social media “engagement” algorithms divide and isolate people from each other.
(I think as far as Lemmy is concerned, it’s just spillover / remnant behaviors from that stuff. There’s no engagement algorithm here other than what we bring in ourselves.)
Here are a some studies on it from people a lot smarter than me. (Note these are more about general toxicity and hate speech and not zeroed in on your exact question, but they may be helpful).
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.744614/full
https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/11547/10076
https://scholars.org/contribution/countering-online-toxicity-and-hate-speech
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10734-021-00787-4
This one looks at the “why” question from a political POV:
https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/2/11/pgad382/7405434?login=false
thanks, appreciate this answer
I tend to block those users very, very quickly. At best, they’re “knee-jerk” types that react violently without thinking. At worst, they’re sociopaths. There’s a lot in between those, but either way, with them blocked, this place is way more chill.
that’s a good way to construct an echo chamber and not notice that you’re no longer the majority and now society has lowered the bar for murder to include you.
“If we block the people calling for death, they’ll kill us!” 😵
They look around and only see support so they must be right .
Because ignoring problems has worked so well in the past …
While i agree with your sentiment it really depends on the user. While you may be open to calling out bullshit violent users, perhaps this user has no intention to do the same and would prefer a more chill virtual environment
Yep. Plus, people spewing violent bullshit aren’t going to be deterred by a counter keyboard warrior. So I just let them shout their shit into the void (as far as I’m aware of it, anyway).
I’ve got enough stress IRL I don’t need that shit here.
And allowing all of these people unchecked in your discourse allows them to keep going and gain steam. If more people blocked psychos maybe they’d shut up when they realise no one is listening
fps
Its a product of global connectivity but lack of in person connection. If I interact with someone regularly and personally I am unlikely to wish harm on them because they are “part of my tribe.” Via the internet and social media I dont really have a connection with this person, so its easy to think of them as an outsider or them. Once they are outside of my tribe I can remove their humanity and then their death has no moral or emotional cost to me.
Anonymity and group think are serious fucking drugs here - a lot of people struggle with empathy normally but even more fail to empathize across the internet. We’re all fucking people at the end of the day but some folks struggle to see other usernames as anything but “the other”.
Additionally this thread + comment system rewards extremism and controversy over reason and nuance - its much faster to absorb a comment of someone dunking on someone else than reading a well thought out of comment… the highest votes tend to go to shorter simpler statements.
Violence is inherently simple and easy to comprehend - it’s extreme and edgy - and it’s something a lot of us constantly see on these devices when playing video games. A lot of people who espouse it on the internet don’t mentally equate advocacy for violence with actual physical violence or can’t really comprehend what actual physical violence looks and feels like.
Oh, also, memes.
It’s a psychological consequence of polarization, which occurs when you have too many people in a social group agreeing with each other.
Groupthink elevates extreme opinions.
It goes both ways when youre too stuck in your bubble reinforcing your opinions or in a group thats equally stuck in their own bubble
All extremists should be killed.
who decides what “extremists” means?
/smeans sarcasm.(I myself don’t find this one funny though…)
Moderates
A moderate democrat is the root of a lot of evil in this here land…
They aren’t the root, they just get in the way of clearing out the root.
