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Abandon Harris is now campaigning to defeat Kamala Harris in the battleground states, saying that genocide is a red line. A new poll shows Muslim voters evenly divided between Kamala Harris and Jill Stein.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20133423

[interview with Dr. Hassan Abdel Salam, from Abandon Harris movement]

Ann Garrison, BAR Contributing Editor 04 Sep 2024

  • antmzo220@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    9 days ago

    No one is Talking about abandoning Trump, so it makes it very questionable.

    Do you think the people who would abandon Harris over these issues are pro Trump to begin with? How would they abandon him if not?

    People like Trump because he is a pro-genocide right winger, Kamala is supposed to be his counter.

    • Chuymatt@beehaw.org
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      9 days ago

      So, the goal is to erode support for a better option (not a good or best option) so that the killing can accelerate and spill into more countries? Having her in office gives more possibility to influence and change policy. Trump would be a spiteful response, most likely.

      We live in a crappy reality.

      What is the goal?

      • antmzo220@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Having her in office gives more possibility to influence and change policy.

        Based on what and using what influence? The genocidal apartheid has been around basically as long as Israel has, but just looking at the bombing aspect of the genocide.

        Since oct-7 Biden and Kamala have both supported Israels right to “defensive” genocide.

        Since oct-7 protesters have been trying to change that with no change on the issue from the administration.

        Why would that change once they’ve already won another 4 years if it hasn’t worked so far?

        The only leverage you have is your vote, if you are pledging to give it to them no matter what, and especially if they’ve already won with your vote…they have no reason to listen to you and millions to listen to the Israeli lobby.

        You’re advocating we handle democrats support for Genocide the same way democrats handle Israels support for Genocide, just give them whatever they want and ask nicely for them to stop? No, I will not normalize genocide and appease the ones carrying it out.

        What is the goal?

        To not support a genocidal right wing candidate and make it known that they will not have the support of the anti-genocide constituency.

        She can either oppose the genocide and get our vote, or she can continue supporting the genocide and not get our vote.

        It’s not like we have been secretly plotting or hiding this. It’s up to her.

        If she continues to support the genocide and loses, it’s only her own fault for not giving up on her support of the genocide, not ours for having the absolute lowest standards possible of “anti-genocide”…and maybe it will send a message that support for Genocide is not a winning strategy for the future.

        Edit: above is my personal belief/opinion. Their goals, from the link, answers your questions pretty well as well I believe.

        AG: Did you even consider disbanding and supporting Harris?

        HAS: In July, immediately after President Biden dropped out of the race, we reappeared in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, DC demanding that Vice President Harris speak to us, meet with us. We extended our hand, asking what her policy on Gaza was. What was her policy on the genocide? We wanted to know exactly what was in her mind, since she had worked actively with the president since the genocide began. We wanted to hear from her mouth, in front of us, what she would do if she became the president on January 20.

        HAS: The media took our message, our demands for a permanent, unconditional ceasefire and a full arms embargo, and we were met with complete rejection, no comment, no meeting. That’s what led up to our decision that we had no choice but to do what we began in October, that we would denounce the party’s position on genocide and begin a campaign against her, as we did on August 19, 2024, outside of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

        AG: So you’re looking to win a moral victory by helping to cost the Democrats the election?

        HAS: Yes, our strategy is to punish the president and the vice president now running at the top of the ticket for the genocide. It should be known in history that people of conscience came out and ensured her defeat. We want to send an undeniable signal to the political class that they can never engage in genocide and win.

        HAS: We’re counting on the people of this country to respond to this moment, this moral urgency, that a genocide is happening, that we are investing billions of dollars in the destruction of an innocent people on the verge of destruction.

        HAS: We told her that we would do this, and that we hope a reckoning will come to the party on November 5th.