• yoshisaur@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I’m part of Gen Z, and no, we as a generation AREN’T tech savvy. just because we grew up with smart phones does not make us tech savvy. in fact, i actually think it made us dumber with tech. i’m the only one in my school who knows how to use a command line and code (i also use linux as my daily driver). meanwhile everyone else doesn’t even know what a freaking file manager is

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      2 months ago

      Hi, I’m a programmer. Most of my classmates didn’t know how to use Linux.

      Now, I’ve realized that newer products are being developed via Visual Studio so……

      Linux and command line knowledge aren’t the same as being tech savvy

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          2 months ago

          It’s a different paradigm for windows users. “Why won’t this exe/msi install on my computer?”

          But also, once you realize the unlimited potential to customize it’s pretty special. I, for one, hate using anything without a tiling windows manager.

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              2 months ago

              Red hat based? Install the RPM. Debian based? Install the deb, generally? Install from the repository. You can also install from source if you’d like

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                  2 months ago

                  Well yeah this is like asking an oboe player how they control pitch, and they respond “different embouchure is the universal way to do it, but adjusting the reed is the best way”

                  Go look it up if you don’t know what the terms mean

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                  2 months ago

                  You don’t generally download the file like you would an exe or MSI on windows. Rather you enter a command line that tells Linux to connect to the repository (like an app store) of that particular type of Linux, pull the latest installation file and install it.

                  You can still download the file and install it directly, but it’s not a straightforward double click like on windows.

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          2 months ago

          Well installing it. That alone requires a challenge most folks probably couldn’t overcome easily. People are accustomed to just getting a computer with a working os on it. Changing that os would be pretty hard for them.

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            Depending on the distro, its generally no harder than windows… infact it probably easier since you dont have to go make an MS account.

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            2 months ago

            And let’s be real, you at least need a degree of tech savvy to deal with the inevitable issues that will come up. Even on the simplest distro.

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              IDK, only times when I broke things on Debian were when I made the unwise decisions to do things I don’t fully understand (that doesn’t really happen now). And my elderly mom uses Mint with less problems than she did Windows.

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        2 months ago

        linux can be used through mostly GUI now so i partly agree with you, but installing linux can be quite a hard task for those who aren’t tech savvy. i’m pretty sure being able to do the following can be considered tech savvy:

        1. change boot settings
        2. flash an ISO to a USB drive
        3. shrink windows partition into a new one for linux
        4. boot from USB
        5. actually install linux
        6. get used to linux
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          2 months ago

          Can you not order Ubuntu on a DVD anymore? Also you’re explaining dual boot. You can just single boot linux

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            2 months ago

            i’m not sure. most people at my school use a laptop at their main computer, so they couldn’t use an ubuntu DVD anyways. i personally prefer dual boot over single boot

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              2 months ago

              … did everyone remove the media drive off laptops? There are also external media drives.

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                I think it has been probably more than 5 years since I have seen an optical drive on a new laptop.

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                New laptops don’t have optical drives. I don’t think there’s a single manufacturer that still has them.

                Hell, most new computer cases (much to my chagrin) don’t even have 5 1/4" bays.

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      The most common explanation I’ve seen, and imo it makes sense, is that things mostly just work now. Even XP required a helluva lot more troubleshooting and messing with stuff to make it work than today. So you not only have a bunch of people that have no troubleshooting experience, a large portion don’t even know how to properly search for things.

      On the flip side, you have a lot more people doing insanely impressive stuff at a lot younger ages because if you have the drive to do it, there’s more material to learn than ever out there.

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        2 months ago

        I’m a millennial but I grew up with Macs which mostly just worked, I don’t remember having to do much troubleshooting as a kid.

        But for me it was more that there was nothing else to do. You got bored, and messed around with and explored the computer, figuring out what you could make it do. Even once we got internet, it was dialup, so you got online for a bit, checked some things, downloaded some shareware, then disconnected and were stuck with whatever was on the computer again to mess with.

        These days the kids have a never-ending social media feed, they have no reason to ever be bored again.

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          These days the kids have a never-ending social media feed, they have no reason to ever be bored again.

          And yet the evidence seems to suggest that social media has actually increased their boredom. They take fewer risks and try fewer things because the comfort of their doomscrolling feed is always there as a digital pacifier whenever they feel emotionally challenged. In turn, this is contributing to increasing rates of anxiety because these young people are not challenging themselves and learning what they are capable of. Their bodies and brains are being programmed to retreat from problems instead of facing and overcoming them. All of that leads to a life where you’re just not getting out and doing stuff, meeting people or creating memories. That’s a life of boredom.

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      2 months ago

      Millennial here: I think what Gen X and Boomer authors mean when they say ‘GenZ is more tech savvy’ is basically just that they use social media apps on phones and play video games, and that more of their culture derives from such things.

      Maybe tech-immersed would be a better term.

      As far as actual tech competency goes?

      Yeah I agree with you. Phones and apps are generally reliable enough now that there’s far less need to figure out anything under the hood, unlike in my day where you kind of had to learn more about a system to do what is now common, and you had to type on a keyboard.

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        2 months ago

        Another Millennial here, so take that how you will, but I agree. I think that Gen Z is very tech literate, but only in specific areas that may not translate to other areas of competency that are what we think of when we say “tech savvy” - especially when you start talking about job skills.

        I think Boomers especially see anybody who can work a smartphone as some sort of computer wizard, while the truth is that Gen Z grew up with it and were immersed in the tech, so of course they’re good with it. What they didn’t grow up with was having to type on a physical keyboard and monkey around with the finer points of how a computer works just to get it to do the thing, so of course they’re not as skilled at it.

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      The boomers had cars and flexed being able to drive stick or know what a carburetor is, unlike those feeble Millennials. They had that greaser subculture. Hmm. I guess that makes the movie Grease the equivalent of War Games or Hackers.

      So what is the zoomer thing? What eye-rolling help do they give to doddering old gen-Xers? What will they flex in their old age?