Emacs.ch Admin (@emacs@emacs.ch)
emacs.ch
After careful consideration, I have made the difficult decision to discontinue the operation of Emacs.ch. After almost two years of dedicated service to our community, I'm tired. Tired of taking the legal responsibilities of hosting potentially illegal content, proactively removing CSAM and porn, hate and racism. Tired of remembering adults that they should stick to our server rules. Tired of yet another personal attack by random people who hide behind their pseudonyms, yet eagerly dox others and threaten their families. Who demand, but never give. Who think they are better, because they are different. Yet have nothing better to do than destroy what they can't agree with. In accordance with the Mastodon Covenant, we are providing a three-month notice period. Emacs.ch will officially cease operations on December 9, 2024. So, take your time to find a place that reflects your values - I'll keep the engines running until then. For those who have recently made donations, I will be reaching out individually to discuss appropriate arrangements. I want to express my sincere gratitude to all who have contributed to making Emacs.ch a unique and valuable space over the past two years. Your participation and support have been deeply appreciated. A big "Thank you" goes to our four moderators, who have spent a lot of time approving sign-ups and handling reports swiftly and in a fair manner. And to all users of the first hour, who helped to make this such a great place. Thank you for your understanding and continued support during this transition period. Emacs.ch was a very special place for me. ❤️
  • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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    10 months ago

    A dollar per year won’t even cover the storage bills, much less the labor of admins and moderators.

    • Bezier@suppo.fiEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Per user? There are instances running on like $10/mo virtual servers with maybe the same amount spent on storage.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          5 months ago

          1$ per year per registered user would be more than enough to pay the hosting costs with a very good amount of pocket money per admin. 1$ per year per MAU would be enough to pay the hosting costs indefinitely.

          To actually pay the admins and sysadmins according to their effort, it would require something close to to 10$ per month per MAU

          • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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            5 months ago

            I think we already established that hosting is not the real cost, right?

            To actually pay the admins and sysadmins according to their effort, it would require something close to to 10$ per month per MAU

            But then why do you keep doing this for free??

              • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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                5 months ago

                Because someone has to

                Why? What is the moral imperative here? Why do you have to do it?

                not everything is about money.

                Sure, if you don’t care about any meaningful impact and just treat it as a glorified hobby.

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  Why? What is the moral imperative here? Why do you have to do it?

                  Because people need social media and we need a way out of the centralized ones and most people just won’t pay 10 for a reddit alternative.

                  Sure, if you don’t care about any meaningful impact and just treat it as a glorified hobby.

                  I believe managing to draw people away for explored walled gardens into a system controlled by the community will have massive impact

                  • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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                    5 months ago

                    Because people need social media

                    People also need phone service, drinking water and energy to heat their homes, etc. Are we just going to keep expecting that someone should do this work for free to them?

                    people just won’t pay 10 for a reddit alternative.

                    No, they won’t. But some of them will pay $30/year (like they are paying me) and I’m sure that I can could serve 10000 users at this price point. There are also others (like mastodon.green and social.lol) who are charging even less - but offering less services.

                    I am pretty sure that our problem is not competing with each other, but competing to those who keep offering things for free.

                    If I’m being completely honest with you, anyone that subsidizes the real cost for the users - whether is Big Tech offering free services and making money on ads or a bunch of idealistic kids running servers for people they don’t really know - are effectively making the open web less sustainable.

                    I believe managing to draw people away for explored walled gardens into a system controlled by the community will have massive impact

                    Talk real numbers.

                    • How many people (in your opinion) are needed to get out and stay exclusively in the Fediverse in order to say we have “massive impact”?
                    • How many people are going to be willing to serve everyone else while working for free? I.e, how many instances like yours are we going to need?
                    • How many people are actually going to be “in control”? Let’s say that we get 100 “community-owned” instances for 10M users. How do you see this “community-owned” dynamic?

                    I really don’t mind people running servers for free. I think that if this is something they enjoy doing it and it makes them feel like they are helping, fine. But it is delusional to think that this alone will be ever be able to make a dent in the overall system.