I know this goes against the popular narrative about Kamala Harris, especially after the recently concluded Democratic National Convention (DNC). But I think she is headed for a loss, and that we may well see a repeat of 2016. I thought of adding “probably” to the title, but matters are pretty stark right now. I […]
  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    She is certainly a liberal, no question about it. Most progressives are, though.

    Is “progressive” just a vibe?

    Again, Marx did not argue for reforming the government, that’s not seizing the means of production.

    I already told you I’m a Communist, I’d rather you not talk down to me and explain my position for me.

    Progressives are reformist, not revolutionary though. Progressives will usually fight against the use of violence to change the system.

    Kamala isn’t changing the system, nor does she seem to want to. So, is she no longer a progressive in your eyes?

    You can’t just claim all of progressivism for communism just because you’re a communist and see it as progress, that’s not fair for the rest of us that want change, but not communism.

    Good thing I didn’t claim that. She isn’t even trying to reform, she’s maintaining the current system with minor tweaks.

    • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

      You may see these tweaks as too minor, and that’s fine. But that just means you are not a progressive. Which makes complete sense since you’ve said you’re a communist. If all progressives were communists, we wouldn’t need two separate words, right? But we have two words, for the two different things.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        I already said, progressives seek to reform the system. That means joining it, and fixing it steadily from within. You can see the differences between this and a communist revolution, yes? It is not a complete change to an entirely different system, it is evolution of the system.

        She’s not evolving the system, this isn’t reform, this is continued liberalism.

        • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          You do not need to switch to a completely different system in order to qualify for the words “evolve” or “reform”. That’s just not what those words mean in the English language. Words that would apply better would be “overhaul” “replacement” or “revolution”.

          If someone wants to abandon all liberalism instead of changing the type of liberalism while keeping liberalism, they are not progressive.

            • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Here is the definition of the word “reform”:

              make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it. “an opportunity to reform and restructure an antiquated schooling model”

              This is different from what you want. It’s okay for you to not want reform. You are not a reformist, not a progressive, you are something else. We progressives are your opponents though, we want liberalism. Progressives do not want to eliminate capitalism.

                • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  Again, reform keeps the system, it just evolves it. If you are changing the system, you are not a reformist. Not a progressive. Something else.

                  You know how in biological evolution animals slowly change into other animals with lots of small steps? They don’t just suddenly turn into something else completely? That.

                  You don’t need all change right now or you’re not changing. The world can have small changes too, and these are still changes.