The new law, a modified version of the FAST Act proposing a minimum wage increase for fast-food workers to $22 an hour this year, has faced resistance from major chains such as McDonald’s, Chipotle and Chick-fil-A. These chains said they plan to raise menu prices to offset higher operating costs.
Can’t trim executive pay or profits. Must cut out services. All hail the mighty dollar.
Same reason my bank branch has tons of empty stations and only two tellers and a long line. Same reason they’re closing the drive-through lanes where my mom banks in the midwest. Convenience for customers is now the enemy getting in the way of higher profits.
I recently introduced my partner to The Sopranos. It opens with Tony Soprano commenting that he feels like he got into the scene (the mob) at the end of its heyday. I feel that way about capitalism.
Can’t trim executive pay or profits. Must cut out services. All hail the mighty dollar.
Well I mean yeah, how else are CEOs going to have 15 yachts? You think having only 14 yachts is acceptable? Yeah right!
This doesn’t change the policy and the benefits it will bring in the long run.
It’s crap for the delivery drivers though. But longer term isn’t forever and at somepoint that wage increase will directly benefit them as well.
When has anyone ever driven to a pizza hut? I remember do so as a child but now pizza hut seems like a definite delivery thing.
In the early 80s Pizza Hut used to be sort of like a normal restaurant… they usually had standalone buildings (which now have mostly been turned into other restaurants) rather than spots in strip malls, with a seating area. You could order a pizza or sandwiches and eat with your family, and they had a salad bar back when salad bars were kind of a hot trend. This persisted into the 2000s especially in smaller areas.
That’s what I remember from being born in mid eighties and grew up in the 90s
I am way too cheap to pay for delivery so I always pick up or dine in.
There used to be a PIzza Hut 5 minutes from my house. I would drive there to pickup to save on delivery costs.
However, they closed down and the closest one is an hour away… Not driving that far, lol.
I drive to a local one all the time for the carry out only special. There’s usually a line for pick up.
If I’m going to order pizza for delivery, pizza hut is one of the last places I’m going to choose.
They could have just focused on providing a better delivery experience, instead they’re going to let uber drivers deliver cold pizza with the wrong soda.
Honestly, that’s not much difference from how it’s been
It has been getting worse.
Out of curiosity, did you send that message recently or a day or two ago? My inbox says it’s been like 20m. Looking at the thread it says 2 days.
With higher delivery fees! Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this? If I’m paying obscene delivery fees and jacked up menu prices through doordash or whoever anyway, I’m getting better food than that. Or just eating at home like I end up doing every time I look at the total from one of those services.
It doesn’t even make sense as sure, Uber doesn’t pay drivers much and Pizza Hut won’t have to employ them, but customers will have to pay more. So Pizza Hut could have just said “due to increases in wages we have to implement a delivery fee”, and actually paid their drivers. They’d rather do this dramatic ‘omg we have to fire them’ thing though.
You are vastly overestimating the brain dead American population that will see the higher price, order delivery anyway, and then stop thinking about it.
Like, they just don’t think about how it will affect their finances at all. People order takeout and delivery every day without a second thought.
To be clear I am not victim blaming the poor, but we are beyond late stage capitalism here. They won.
Except that’s not what’s happening at all. Go look at Just Eats stock price after aquiring grub hub for a few billion. Turns out, people actually do scoff at the delivery price of these services.
If it even comes at all
Right? It’s pretty bad. A lot of the food drivers don’t really speak English, either, so you’re kind of fucked in some way each time you order.
(I don’t mind immigrant uber drivers, but it’s a pain when there are food issues and they can’t understand you.)
And they are going to charge for it. I hate pizza places that have done this. It’s at LEAST $20-$30 more now to get delivery.
After winning on Prop 22, Uber/Lyft guaranteed drivers $13/hr. I’m not sure where the likes of Uber Eats/Grubhub stand in comparison, but even if we assume they’re also at $13/hr, that’s a full ‘federal minimum wage’ less than the Pizza Hut drivers would need to be paid. For doing literally the same job but with way, way worse benefits (e.g., having to provide your own insurance).
It’s actually insane. Prop 22 is a travesty.
$20/hr isn’t even what I would consider a living wage in California, and Pizza Hut is here proudly admitting they were paying their drivers substantially less than that. But the deliveries will still happen, just to even worse-paid people. It’s a crazy cycle of abuse of labor.
Seriously. I don’t see why companies that were already paying for delivery drivers (eg, the chain pizza companies) don’t sell their delivery services as a value add. When I order a pizza from DoorDash, it doesn’t come wrapped in an insulated carrier and so often arrives cold. I’m not sure what else they could throw in but they’re just tossing it (no pun intended).
I’m also curious as to the numbers on this. I don’t know if this was done after a full evaluation of raising delivery service fees or other ways of addressing it, but the fact that they’re doing it in all of California instead of keeping it in markets like SF or LA makes me think it was a petulant act rather than a rationally justified one.
Just as a clarification (not a defense) from someone that drives for DoorDash - every time the driver picks up a pizza order, they are required to provide photo proof that they own a pizza bag. I’m not saying this forces drivers to use them, but they have to upload different pics of their pizza bags sometimes with every pickup.
Edit: autocorrect
Oh, I had no idea. Thank you for the clarification!
This is so weird to me because pizza is one of the few things I actually order for delivery… there isn’t much around here other than 3rd party services, which I don’t use because I’m rural and the way it works here is just gross. Had 6 come in for the same failed order while I was out on Tuesday (menu wasn’t open for that item but it was ordered through another platform, and 6 people came asking for it for the same order because of how the platform works). I can’t imagine actually working there.
But I suppose in more urban areas, pizza hut is competing with actually good food also on delivery (for a very steep markup people are apparently willing to pay or the services would die), so it’s no surprise they can’t compete on their own; and still also turn record profits. Heaven forbid they die in the region. 🙂
This is why I won’t order pizza from places that use a sub contracted delivery. It gets here like shite. No thanks.
absolutely the worst pizza chain that exists. i do not understand how people can stomach all that grease
The grease doesn’t bother me, but pizza hut near me has been hit or miss on the quality so I haven’t ordered in quite a while
Nostalgia.
2 words: pizza buffet
Somewhere you just made Papa John smile.
the last time i had pizza hut, their last chance; it was typical, a grease pit. that poor cardboard. i filled out an online complaint form and the store manager called me asking what they could do.
“change your recipe. you sell grease with a little pizza”. i was honest with the guy, its not his franchise thats the problem, its the product. i had finally learned my lesson. pizza hut clearly hasnt learned theirs
Not minimizing or dismissing what you’re saying, but they must do something different over here, even as a franchisee, because it’s not the best but not that bad either. I can’t imagine what exactly, but we have other chains that I’d avoid first. Papa Johns doesn’t even have one location on this island. I think they’re all on Oahu with maybe one on the big island.
i eat 3-4 pizzas /week. its kinda one of the only things i do eat… a lot.
B+ papa johns is not all that great either, but i like the sweeter crust, and that makes their bread sticks great.
A love a solid pie in the form of giordanos, if you can get it. thats a Pie. like 3 inches thick of cheese.
C few chains like cicis… might as well be frozen.
A- mellow mushroom is an interesting place if you can get it when the cook isnt high
A little caesars is the underdog. its the only chain in town that makes their dough fresh
C new york city pizza is chain around here with paper thin pizza, which is not my thing. i shouldnt need to know origami to eat your almost nothing pizza
D pizza hut. blech. and their breadsticks are just twigs they pulled off a tree out back.
Like I said, they must do something different here, which isn’t surprising if true.
Most of the chains you mentioned have no presence here, it’s all mostly local individual shops, many are mom and pop variety. I think RoundTable is the only other large chain that has a presence on this island and the quality is dubious.
That might be why the pizza hut here is relatively better than elsewhere, they have to compete with local offerings that are superior, but usually more expensive.
yep, it sounds like youve got a unicorn. those mom an pop shops are sometimes the absolute best…
dammit now i have to go get a pizza.
I HATED Pizza Hut growing up in California. Way too greasy. Single slice of meat lovers would make me sick. Then I moved to Illinois for a few years and it was night and day. Suddenly Pizza Hut was GOOD. Light, flakey crust. Right amount of ingredients. No grease. Moved back to California and it was greasy shit again.
I dunno, there’s definitely some regional differences going on.
I honestly don’t know if Papa Johns is good or bad, because their ads make them look like hot garbage and I’ve never been brave enough to see if they taste as bad as they look.
Well as of 2021 the feedback from the exited founder isn’t too great
https://www.businessinsider.com/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-800-pizzas-18-months-2021-11
And he’s saying the quality isn’t as good as before, which wasn’t that good to begin with.
It’s been a while since I’ve had Papa Johns, but they were at least as good/equally bad as Pizza Hut.
I worked as a driver for Pizza Hut in the 90s, and their pizza was OK, but plain. I was sick of their sauce by the 3rd week I worked there. Pizza Hut went to shit when they started to move away from having sit down restaurants. Now their pizza is terrible.
These days there are plenty of other pizza places to choose from, and I’d never order from either Papa Johns or Pizza Hut. Not that I was ordering it much, but final straw for Pizza Hut was when they did their “Any PIzza, Any Crust, $10” and then had “Stuffed crust excluded” in the small print.
If I want cheap pizza I’d get Little Caesar’s or Pizza Ranch. At least I won’t feel ripped off.
It’s been a while since I’ve had Papa Johns, but they were at least as good/equally bad as Pizza Hut.
No, not at all, not where I went to college.
Yeah, my comment didn’t mean to elevate Papa Johns, but instead denigrate Pizza Hut. :)
Oh ok, that’s more understandable, because when a group of poor college kids are pooling money for pizza and the consensus is “anything but Papa Johns”, that is the rock bottom.
We repurchased 10 million shares totaling $1.2 billion at an average price per share of $119.
They are just greedy. They have the money, but giving the money to the rich is evidently more important.
That’s irrelevant.
This is an outrage.
They will continue to not get my business. But now it’s on moral grounds and not just because they have the shittiest pizza I’ve ever had the displeasure of eating.
If your business plan can’t make a profit while paying your people a living wage, than it doesn’t deserve to be in business.
Expecting people to live paycheque to paycheque in order to subsidize your desire to be a business owner is the Pinnacle of bullshit.
In a fair economy every business pays for all of their externalities
The C-level staff are just going to use this to justify bonuses in the face of poor quality and faltering sales. They never pass up a scape goat. Bastards.
I threw away my “food” the last time I gave Pizza Hut a chance.
Oh no! Whatever will these minimum wage employees do now that literally anywhere else will pay them more?
How much business do they expect to get as a pizza delivery company without delivery drivers? I’ll bet this goes really poorly, the franchise shuts down, and then the owner goes on Fox News talking about how “the new wages in Commiefornia forced me out of business!”
People are still under the illusion that businesses would eat the cost without layoffs or rising prices.
Yep. This is exactly what happens when you set a minimum wage, because the actual minimum wage will always be $0. So you’re not effectively setting a minimum wage, you’re forbidding the people who would work between $0 - (whatever minimum wage you set) to work.
The only sensible minimum wage is no minimum wage. Anything else causes great harm to the weakest in our societies, often catastrophic amounts of harm in the form of perpetual unemployment.
It’s kinda crazy how like these things that should benefit employees like minimum wage increases, end up resulting in them losing their jobs through no fault of their own.
America is fucked up lol
Oh no! What ever will these minimum wage workers do? Surely not find another minimum wage job that pays $20/hr? No def not!
