But that’s at least partially my point. That’s discrimination, not all white people, not all straight people, not all men, are privileged and if you think that you’re reinforcing the same discrimation you’re supposedly against. Sure, there might be, proportionally, because of historical reasons/historical discrimination, more “straight white men” who are more privileged than most, but that’s more about politics and thinking that way you are already discriminating against people just for being born the skin color they’re born with, the sexuality and gender they’re born with which we all know we have no control over. And that’s fucked up.
If you really think there are no white or straight people or men that don’t have the same privileges as some piece of shit like this guy or even a bunch of minority people I really cannot trust you’re arguing in good faith. Class etc, privilege isn’t all about the color of your skin or sexuality. Things are more subjective and inidividual than that.
I agree it makes this turd of a human being more of a hypocrite and I don’t disagree with the comment I replied to entirely. I just don’t see why there is a need to discriminate against an entire group of people just for the way they’re born. I thought fighting against that very notion was the exact point.
e: Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point and possibly not explaining my point well (I am veeery tired), but anyway. Just because Mike Johnson is an asshole doesn’t mean people should paint an entire gender or race or anything as assholes is my point. I get that the OC is somewhat sarcastic, but still.
not all white people, not all straight people, not all men, are privileged
Maybe not compared to people who are all of those things plus rich and powerful, but compared to people who are none of those things? Yes, we fucking are!
You’re pretending that privilege is a binary where either you’re super privileged or you’re not privileged at all. That’s not how it works.
I’m a cishet white guy from a country with a high standard of living. That makes me privileged. Someone being those things and also rich and healthy would make them more privileged than me, but it doesn’t erase my privilege.
Aknowledging privilege, whether your own or that of someone else, isn’t discrimination, it’s honesty and awareness. Conversely, NOT acknowledging privilege except for extreme cases makes you blind to the realities of privilege, which may in turn lead to ACTUAL discrimination, whether conscious or unknowing l, when dealing with any situation where privilege plays a part l.
I’m not pretending anything and you’re putting words in my mouth I never said or intentionally misenterpreting my words and I’m done with this bad faith argument of yours.
I’m not Mike Johnson and acknowledging discrimination doesn’t make me privileged. You can discriminate all you want it doesn’t make it any less discrimination. Nor does it make discrimination against someone even if they might be privileged any less discrimination.
If you really think someone who just happens to have been born those things and gets the worst treatment than someone who, say is, POC and/or LGBTQ, who is better off than someone who is homeless for example you’re delusional and extremely discriminative. It largely concerns all of those things, but it’s not as bipolar as american identity politics makes it up to be, it’s more about class politics and politics essentially and way more subjective and individual than you’re making it out to be - which is exactly my point, not a single one of any gender, sexuality, class, anything is a fucking monolith you should discriminate against as one. But you’re free to downvote instead of discussing.
It largely concerns all of those things, but it’s not as bipolar as american identity politics makes it up to be
Then why are you continuing to argue that it IS bipolar? Why do you insist that white people aren’t privileged, even as you acknowledge that there are different levels of privilege and belonging to one privileged class doesn’t mean that you belong to them all and thus have ALL the privilege? It’s like you’re ALMOST getting it but then you refuse to take that last step because that would be admitting that you were wrong.
Fact: being white makes us privileged
Fact: that doesn’t mean that we necessarily abuse said privilege and as such, being white doesn’t in itself make us bad people
Fact: neither of the above statements of fact are in any way discriminatory and if you STILL don’t understand that, there’s no doubt left that you’re incapable of understanding either through stubbornness or reflexive defensiveness against an imagined accusation that nobody is making.
But that’s at least partially my point. That’s discrimination, not all white people, not all straight people, not all men, are privileged and if you think that you’re reinforcing the same discrimation you’re supposedly against. Sure, there might be, proportionally, because of historical reasons/historical discrimination, more “straight white men” who are more privileged than most, but that’s more about politics and thinking that way you are already discriminating against people just for being born the skin color they’re born with, the sexuality and gender they’re born with which we all know we have no control over. And that’s fucked up.
If you really think there are no white or straight people or men that don’t have the same privileges as some piece of shit like this guy or even a bunch of minority people I really cannot trust you’re arguing in good faith. Class etc, privilege isn’t all about the color of your skin or sexuality. Things are more subjective and inidividual than that.
I agree it makes this turd of a human being more of a hypocrite and I don’t disagree with the comment I replied to entirely. I just don’t see why there is a need to discriminate against an entire group of people just for the way they’re born. I thought fighting against that very notion was the exact point.
e: Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point and possibly not explaining my point well (I am veeery tired), but anyway. Just because Mike Johnson is an asshole doesn’t mean people should paint an entire gender or race or anything as assholes is my point. I get that the OC is somewhat sarcastic, but still.
Maybe not compared to people who are all of those things plus rich and powerful, but compared to people who are none of those things? Yes, we fucking are!
You’re pretending that privilege is a binary where either you’re super privileged or you’re not privileged at all. That’s not how it works.
I’m a cishet white guy from a country with a high standard of living. That makes me privileged. Someone being those things and also rich and healthy would make them more privileged than me, but it doesn’t erase my privilege.
Aknowledging privilege, whether your own or that of someone else, isn’t discrimination, it’s honesty and awareness. Conversely, NOT acknowledging privilege except for extreme cases makes you blind to the realities of privilege, which may in turn lead to ACTUAL discrimination, whether conscious or unknowing l, when dealing with any situation where privilege plays a part l.
I’m not pretending anything and you’re putting words in my mouth I never said or intentionally misenterpreting my words and I’m done with this bad faith argument of yours.
I’m not Mike Johnson and acknowledging discrimination doesn’t make me privileged. You can discriminate all you want it doesn’t make it any less discrimination. Nor does it make discrimination against someone even if they might be privileged any less discrimination.
If you really think someone who just happens to have been born those things and gets the worst treatment than someone who, say is, POC and/or LGBTQ, who is better off than someone who is homeless for example you’re delusional and extremely discriminative. It largely concerns all of those things, but it’s not as bipolar as american identity politics makes it up to be, it’s more about class politics and politics essentially and way more subjective and individual than you’re making it out to be - which is exactly my point, not a single one of any gender, sexuality, class, anything is a fucking monolith you should discriminate against as one. But you’re free to downvote instead of discussing.
Then why are you continuing to argue that it IS bipolar? Why do you insist that white people aren’t privileged, even as you acknowledge that there are different levels of privilege and belonging to one privileged class doesn’t mean that you belong to them all and thus have ALL the privilege? It’s like you’re ALMOST getting it but then you refuse to take that last step because that would be admitting that you were wrong.
Fact: being white makes us privileged
Fact: that doesn’t mean that we necessarily abuse said privilege and as such, being white doesn’t in itself make us bad people
Fact: neither of the above statements of fact are in any way discriminatory and if you STILL don’t understand that, there’s no doubt left that you’re incapable of understanding either through stubbornness or reflexive defensiveness against an imagined accusation that nobody is making.