This is just Vista all over again. Calm down people. Go to Linux or church if you’re scared.
The difference is, that you could just continue using XP until Win7 was released or continue using Win7 until Win10 was released. Win10 will reach end of life next year and then the only supported Windows will be Windows 11. Vista or Win8 were never as forced as Win11 is now.
The timeline for the lifecycle is 10 years. That’s ample time for an OS generation.
not really because Vista does not have strong hardware requirements. But, this one have
Today, sure.
2005 was a different story, one the opposite of this one.
While Vista didn’t have high specified requirements, it gobbled resources so updating from XP to Vista you’d have a noticable slowdown.
Win11 is the opposite of that story. While modern PC models (as in 5-year-old when Win11 first came out) can run Win11 fine, Microsoft forces requirements which aren’t needed.
Sure, while having a better TPM and newer processor is a good thing, making anything other than that ewaste (because windows runs 90+% of consumer PCs, with Apple being the majority of the 10%) definitely isn’t.
Vista was absolutely the slowest thing imaginable. They reduced the requirements as part of a marketing campaign for “Vista-ready” PCs, but PCs that ran it “well” were few and far between. Even after 7 came out if you went back to Vista it was noticeably slower.
I decided to look up what that term meant.
The minimum specs seem to be an 800Mhz system with 512MB memory. No, Vista will not run good on that. Even Windows 7 will not like it. Windows XP with SP3 will run on that, but even that will feel sluggish on 800Mhz.
That’s like early XP computers being released with 64 or 128 Megs of RAM. That may be the minimum specs but it’s not gonna be usable.
So what was the conspiracy theory around tpm requirements, bitlocker and copilot? Some new privacy nightmare?
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
This is customer abusive and should be illegal.
Got so angry, that you deleted your own comment, huh? /j
Look at the vote ratio, do you think I got angry that everyone agreed with me or something?
I just saw a deleted comment, then your username and found it funny.
I know.
A lot of people make similar attempts at hand crafted jocularity. Most fall about as flat as yours.
No, I think they are referring to your username.
Indeed I was.
What a clever and original thing to see that I have not seen ever before in my 4 decades on the internet, yes sirree, certainly one of the most fresh and unique takes ever committed to electrons.
Thank you. <3
This is my sarcastic face for future reference: -_-
Is secure boot still required? Yes?
Can’t force me to do shit Microsoft. Your own OS prevents it :)
You’re misunderstanding, they’re stopping people like you and me who don’t have those.oj their PCs from upgrading via workarounds, not preventing us from a forced upgrade.
I had to go back and reread. I really shouldn’t comment when I’m still in bed.
Seems like you’re not the only one in this thread that fails to even read the title correctly.
They probably read requirement as meaning being required to upgrade to 11.
“How dare people install our OS without a DRM clipper chip”
“My OS is so secure!” Actually features of the hardware.
And here I am using a modern Linux OS on a 15 year old desktop without any issues or nagging to log into an online account or to backup all my shit to some server, open to hackers, in windows world.
Why though? This just means that Windows 11 will run on more devices? Why is so important for your device to have a TPM and Secure Boot enabled, and a supported processor? If I were Microsoft, I would put the requirements even lower or even removed them.
This is just my theory, but maybe they want to turn it all into android-levels of lockdown for even stricter DRM and such.
Article isn’t that great. The change is in beta, and it’s preventing the installer from accepting a switch that declares the OS to be a server product.
MS hasn’t said it’s going after any upgrades that are running out of spec hardware. This really sounds like they are just fixing an upgrade option.
microsoft missed their bottom line so they need more planned obscelance
How does that make any sense? Does Microsoft get a cut of sales for component upgrades?
Any new computer sold that has a copy of Windows preinstalled means Microsoft is getting a cut.
Obviously, but we’re talking about a really, really small subset of users that probably would earn Microsoft less than a week of coffee in their corporate office.
Are they still doing that thing where OEMs pay licenses based on units sold regardless of OS? So even if you want Linux, they still have to pay for windows?
This question makes no sense.
Most Windows users are not technical enough to do component upgrades.
People who are technical enough to get around the system requirements to install windows 11 on a system that doesn’t meet the minimum requirements is most likely technical enough to upgrade their own computer.
people can’t upgrade.
people see their computer isn’t supported.
people buy a new computer.
oems license windows.
Here’s the best way you can dodge Windows 11 system requirements, and trust me… you’ll never look back. Infact, you can dodge Microsoft all together.
Thank me later. https://manjaro.org/products/download/x86
manjaro
Are you sure they’ll be thanking you? ;)
Honestly, I’m so sick of Microsoft’s bullshit, I just want to spread to love of Linux desktop. They’re more than free to downvote me in to oblivion. I’m pro-freedom over the software, open source software, and freedom to use the hardware we want to use. Plus I really love Manjaro and XFCE. KDE’s a good experience, but Windows 11 has advertisements in its start menu, and I’m not entirely sure what that ‘screenshot your desktop to feed an AI’ stuff was about but I’m not really down with that.
So, don’t thank me, but I would hope more people enjoy the different flavors of Linux desktop or give them a chance. The only way to not have Microsoft jam its software/cloud services/Teams down your throat is to get the HIPAA related Windows 11 OS which they make it a pain in the butt to grab.
I was just making a silly joke about Manjaro breaking a lot…
I’m sorry is this the fucking draft
Are we going to war or is the author bad at writing?
lol sorry, i meant in the war sense… cracking down on “dodging” minimum requirements sounded so self-serious, like the government cracking down on draft dodgers or something.
If it’s just an installer check then people could just use the old installer versions and update afterward right? Or are they planning on stopping updates for unsupported hardware that already installed windows 11?
It’s MS. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bricked systems attempting to bypass the requirements.
“By god we have got to stop people from using Windows!”
Uh. Yes. Do that.
As far as i know, windows 10 is still more functional, less of a resource hog (in windows terms), far FAR less telemetry and it just looks fucking nicer. It costs nothing to not upgrade, or you pay the tribute and join the linux brotherhood
You’ve got around 9 months left on Win10 supportability. Then it will move in to LTS channels only. It was incredibly well adopted so we have to believe any open vulnerabilities will be targeted quickly and relentlessly. Sadly, we will be in a 11 only world by this time next year.
I’m fine with just the security updates until 2025. I’m sure I’ll eventually be able to move on to Linux by then.
Hell, I look forward to the only updates being security. Microsoft seems to think anyone likes having their OS change overnight.
Is there a way to make my PC seemingly not support Windows 11 so the annoying update nags go away? I’ll never use that shit OS.
Disable tpm in bios
Use a CPU ISA that Microsoft refuses to compile Windows for.
Itanium? It’s still supported well into 2025.
SPARC V?
You can set a registry value so that there is no upgrade to win 11, but I don’t know if it only works on enterprise.
It’s barely helpful as it resets most regular updates, just disable TMP in bios.
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
Yeah tell that to my company please.
Give him some contact info and he probably will :)
I do! :)
Yup, that did the trick for me. I actually tried to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10, and it refused to saying my HW wasn’t good enough (1st gen Ryzen), I boot into my Linux partition and the problem goes away, no nags to install Windows 11, and I still get to play all the same games I did on Windows 10.
Seems to be a pretty permanent solution so far. ;)
Yay! Happy for you, another person who got the right idea.
I’ll never use that shit OS.
Good luck come October of next year when Windows 10 goes EOL
Personally I’m just treating Windows 11 as a 2025 kind of problem…
I’m hoping for Windows 12. Just like I skipped from Win 7 straight to 10, 8 was completely unusable.
There’s a long term support version for 10 as well, until 2029. That would be the alternative, if whatever successor they choose is as bad or worse.
Ever more reason to switch to Linux sooner than later. Otherwise, Windows 10 LTSC or Pro for Workstation.
A few of my boxes have 7th gen processors. I get the nags and then it comes up and says oh sorry you’re not eligible.
