• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    I get the fury. I really do. But consider that, pragmatically, voting 3rd party just increases the chance Trump gets in. And if you don’t think Trump would sortie a squadron or three of B-52s to “help” bibi and carpet bomb Gaza, coincidentally clearing the way for the new Trump Gaza Tower within a week of taking office, you’re honestly kidding yourself.

    TL;DR: don’t let emotion blind you. Vote tactically, in a way that offers the most utility, and allows the least harm. And try to look beyond the first-order effects.

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      3 months ago

      The Democratic Party ignoring legitimate grievances increases the chance Trump gets in.

      You fear Trump more than we do. Biden is already sending Israel thousands of bombs that have killed over 40,000 people. Over 70% of Gaza is already destroyed. Universities destroyed, hospitals destroyed, water wells and treatment destroyed, polio is epidemic, … You really can’t scare us with Trump being worse. No one is voting for him, but we don’t fear him.

      TL;DR: You fear Trump, if you want Arab and Muslim Americans to care like we did in 2020 you have to do much more than Trump will be worse. When we cared and volunteered and donated in 2020 we were rewarded with a genocide.

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        You fear Trump more than we do

        This response makes me strongly suspect you are not an Arab-American. You’d trade a candidate with an admittedly unclear stance towards the Middle East (context: in an election where AIPAC will absolutely firehose money at anyone who is even slightly critical of Israel, so to me, this stance is the obvious pragmatic - if unfortunately opaque - move in a system woefully corrupted by money) for a guy who checks notes wants to ban muslims from entering the country…?

        I call bullshit.

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          You can’t really threaten Arab voters with a Muslim ban when someone currently in office is enabling a genocide against their family members. Literally everything else falls by the wayside. That’s the top tier war crime. It’s like being stabbed and someone says watch out, that other guy wants to shoot you. You’re not going to net support for the guy stabbing you that way.

          Now saying that, I’m voting for Harris, but I get why Arab American and other voters wouldn’t, but… only if she picked Shapiro or someone like that (like Fetterman but he’s not on the list lol). Otherwise, Harris seems to be better on the issue than Biden, as VP’s don’t have a lot of say in policy unless they’re Dick Cheney and she can easily separate herself from Biden’s policies. And we know Trump will be bad on the issue, he’s also a known quantity. Hopefully Kamala can thread the needle of being a “new” quality on this issue. Although AIPAC probably won’t have that lol.

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          It is strange that you think a ban on Muslims entering the US is worse than a genocide.

          It is also weak that you would resort to an ad hominem attack. Usually I would just block someone who does but for some reason [sleep depravation?] I am in a generous mood, so I will refute THEN block. Now everyone will see my lousy handwriting :(