I’m meeting my grandfather for lunch on Friday. It’ll be the first time I’ve seen him in several years. He went all the way down the hate hole. Never heard him cuss but last time we talked he was using the N word.
He’ll be 87 soon. Most likely, I’ll never see him again. He’s going to find out we’re moving out of the south to yankee land.
Fuck it. He’s not the man I knew. He doesn’t have the wisdom I thought he did.
I hate it and it fucks me up. I’ve lost my people to hate and stupid. So fucking stupid. They all want to suck some orange cock. Fucking really? That’s your fucking Messiah? They didn’t actually fucking read the fucking book they claimed they believed in while shoving bullshit down my throat and the throats of any child they could get ahold of.
Fuck em. They could wake the fuck up if they choose to. They could read. They could think. I tried to tell them.
I’m real sad about it. Not a fucking thing I can do about it. They can live inside their lie holes.
Blackberry Winter has skipped two years. There are armadillos, geckos, and fire ants now. Those critters didn’t live here until things changed. The fucking woods smell and sound different now. They could wake the fuck up and quit listening to fox or their preacher but they choose not to.
I tried to tell them and they didn’t listen because they choose to be ignorant.
fuck em
If you are going to be upset about other people like this, you will be in a state of constant anger.
It’s not your responsibility to control what people do or think. My advice is to let those people be who they are, while you focus on being the best you can be.
Keep the people you vibe with in your life, and let the others go. Meet your grandfather and just observe him. This is life showing you someone who is hateful, from the sound of it. It’s just an example of who not to be, that’s all it is. Learn from that and remain calm.
You can do it. :)
If you are in the right state of mind, you can even smile at horrible things he says, because it’s just about him, not anyone else. You will start to view him as someone funny, like a child that messes up because they don’t know better.
Don’t fight people you don’t agree with. Just say what you think, and leave. No need to argue at all.
There is wisdom in what you say.
I tried to help them. I wanted them to see a way without the hate.
It hurts a lot that they can’t come with me. I love them so much. It’s not okay that I can’t help them. My grandfather. My family. We make our choices.
It is so so so painful to lose a loved one.
It is excruciating to lose them before they die.
Even worse is when you see parts of what you liked about them suffocating beneath the propaganda that poisoned them. This is like a threefold death.
“This is like a threefold death.”
It really is. Grieving is a process and it comes in waves.
You will start to view him as someone funny, like a child
Well his grandfather is so old he’s probably well on his way becoming a child again.
Have you tried locking Fox behind parental controls on their TV?
Maybe I could have early on, but cousins would have probably unlocked it. Too late now. Now I’m just tired.
It could be due to an illness since you said he was never like this before. See what he’s like on Friday.
Holy shit that’s a good idea! My dad is clueless about technology 👌
There’s nothing stopping you from going NC with extended - or even immediate - family, if they negatively impact your sanity to that degree. At the end of the day, you’re human, and so is everyone else. Live your life on your own terms.
I don’t disagree, but when you mention it like that, I can’t help but think of how cults shun people who don’t assimilate.
Either this is a significant personality change that would indicate an illness requiring treatment, or this is who he’s secretly always been in which case you’re really not losing anything but your illusions and if this is the last time you see him then you’re not really losing anything important.
If it’s the former it may help you to feel better by trying to get him some help, even if you fail then at least you tried. If it’s the latter then it’s just best to cut your losses as soon as possible and move on.
They sound like my boomer parents. I just keep them far away from me. We talk once every 6 months or so, that’s it. They live a 2 hour drive away, but now that I don’t have a car anymofe it’s 4,5h with public transportation, so a good reason not to visit them. I love it. I’m just waiting for them to die. Stupid boomers. They fucked up my youth, they fucked up the world, now they spread hate.
Just live your own life, surround yourself with people who are like minded. I have a lot of friends around me, I left my family. The expression “blood runs thicker then water” is originally longer. Many people interpret it as family bonds being stronger then friends, but the entire expression is “blood runs thicker then water from the womb” meaning the exact opposite. You can choose your friends, you’re stuck with the people who are your family, you can’t choose your family. But you can choose to not talk to them anymore and to focus on friends instead.
This feels like excerpts I read of “here’s just an example of how disenchantment and loss had impacted everyday citizens of _ in the early _ century”.
I forget what kind of coping mechanism it is called where I try to see things historically when they hit a little too close to home.
Disassociation?
Voilà yup
I know where your coming from. My parents feel right down the racist conspiracy theory rabbit hole during Brexit and COVID. I was working in the hospital watching people and colleagues die regularly and my dad was telling me it’s just flu and all a hoax to scare people, they convinced my 90 year old grandma to not get the vaccine. We had a lot of fights. Eventually after a lot of reflecting I decided that having a relationship with my family was more important than winning an argument so now we just have a selection of topics I refuse to engage with, just say let’s move on and change the topic. I found it really hard to see the people who raised me fall into racist rhetoric and conspiracy theory thinking, these people taught me to be a good person and now have some glaring holes in their compassion for others. I struggled with that for a long time.
If it was drug use wed call this enabling. Family shouldn’t get a pass to be dick bags.
but just like being addicted to a drug, we can’t force them to stop. They have to want to change themselves. And if they don’t stop, what, we’re supposed to cut off our whole family? That won’t stop them from continuing to be hateful, but it will stop us from having a meaningful relationship with our loved ones. All we can do is make our values clear when they attempt to bring up any of their hateful BS, and then move onto something else.
Yup this is where I got to with them. Either I compromise my values to continue having a relationship or we eventually stop talking entirely as I continue to argue with their bullshit. The arguing doesn’t work, even appeals to emotion didn’t make a difference. I struggled for a long time with how these people who I held in such high regard could fall so far. They are just people at the end of the day and fell for the hateful propaganda on social media.
It is also caring for oneself/ their own wellbeing and sanity.
I had a similar experience. I was working in D.C. and had focused on Ukraine, of all things, well before it became an international talking point. As Russia got increasingly involved in U.S. politics via Trump, I found I couldn’t really share what I was seeing/experiencing first-hand, because back home, my family was actively falling for the same bullshit I was trying to scream about in D.C. It’s all been so surreal.
There’s a really cool community on reddit called QAnonCasualties. Maybe we need that here.
Feel you! My family are immigrants in Germany and my grandpa who was always misogynist and all that old school bullshit, I loved him anyway because as a kid I didn’t realize and he always brought us chocolate and ice cream so I wanted to only remember that.
But in the last couple years he started saying more and more racist shit, being really angry and I’m pretty sure he’s now voting for AfD (our local MAGA). My brother started telling me how we need to deport more people and how all of those immigrants should integrate and learn German Blabla and how they’re not contributing. I was like, do you remember that we’re also immigrants my man?
It’s an epidemic, idk what else to say, but I wish you strength and patience to deal with this, certainly I need it myself.
Of course it’s them - hateful and aggressive - not understanding you.
Why would it ever be you - knowledgeable, well-informed guy writing nice, respectful posts about them on the internet - not trying to understand them?
Probably better to move out south.
He’s not the man I knew. He doesn’t have the wisdom I thought he did.
The grief is really, really real. I’m so sorry. I feel this way about several people I grew up around, It sucks to realize people you respected aren’t interested in doing the right thing or even acknowledging reality.
https://youtu.be/FS52QdHNTh8?si=Cr5PW-7FQJimgHbI your post reminded me of this amazing documentary called “The Brainwashing of my Dad” in which the documentarian talks about how Rush Limbaugh and the greater right wing fox news propaganda machine turned a man he once respected and looked up to for his strong character and morals into a barely functioning hatemonger.
So many people I love fell down this hole. I used to listen to Limbaugh, everyone did. As I was coming out of bad religion, I stopped.
I’d like to piss on that motherfucker’s grave. He killed my family.
Be mad at the propagandists. The same thing happened to my best friend and my father. It’s 99.999% at the feet of the likes of fox news and Newsmax.
They get introduced through the lense of “fairness” (illegal immigrants “skip the line” it’s not fair!) (msm lies about trump, it’s not fair!) (I pay taxes and it goes to lazy people, it’s not fair!) and these outlets keep tickling your amygdala keeping you angry and it just spirals. These people end up watching right wing media as “hate-porn” and it becomes a bit of an addiction. They completely believe they are on the right side and any time you bring up some disgusting thing a right winger said/did they can dismiss it as “lies” because their chosen hate-monger tells them as such.
They have some blame as they allow themselves to hate, they form some justification, but you can see it here too from “the left.” See just how many people (myself included) will say how much they hate Republicans (in office for me) so it’s entirely a human thing which is why I blame propaganda almost entirely.
I should change my username because I say it so often, but I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!
He’ll be 87 soon. Most likely, I’ll never see him again.
suck some orange cock. Fucking really? That’s your fucking Messiah?
Once you’ve reached 87, I wonder if you’ll reflect back on that last time you ever saw your grandfather, but maintained too much distance because he had the wrong political alignment.
I don’t believe that you owe your toxic family time
I have no pity for willfully ignorant people
