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    Too many politically charged comments, locking. We are a technology community, if you want to talk politics please do so in the appropriate community.

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    I don’t know why you guys hate on Elon. Should have the right to know what happening to their children. Schools shouldn’t be hiding anything from the parents.

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      Schools are often where abused kids are able to build trust with adults and actually talk about their home life. Sure there’s plenty the school should inform the parents of but some things could do serious damage. If they aren’t already, teachers should be getting training on when and how to make that judgement call

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      This is actually a misrepresentation of the law.

      The law bans school districts from requiring teachers to report if students start experimenting with different pronouns.

      Teachers can still report this to parents. There is nothing barring them from doing so. The only change is that they aren’t policed by their school district.

      Technically, this is actually the classically conservative position!

      This whole thing is extremely stupid. Parents should take care of their own shit. You want to know what your kid is thinking? Talk to them. Demanding that the trusted adults in their lives who DO pay attention to them narc for you is a weak-ass move for parents who run to the nanny state to help them raise their kids because they don’t know how to manage their own damn family life.

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        For the inevitable report the mods will get: this is directly quoting Elon Musk accusing a volunteer trying to save lives of paedophilia just for disagreeing with him.

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      Should have the right to know what happening to their children. Schools shouldn’t be hiding anything from the parents.

      I hate to break it to you, but if a child tells the school before they tell their own damn parents, there’s a reason for that.

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      In the case of abuse at home should the school tell the parents if the kids report it? Where do you draw the line for privacy and what difference does it make if the parents are aware their kid gos by different pronouns at school? Why do so many people look at kids like they are property…? And this is coming from someone who can’t stand being around kids most of the time…

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      You mean the guy that mistreated his own daughter so bad after she came out as trans that she even changed her legal name just to not be associated with him in any shape or form? The guy who said “can’t win them all” when asked about the topic? You mean you can’t think of a reason why nobody likes that guy?

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      You are wrong. Students develop independent identity at school. Parents are not entitled to every detail of their child’s life.

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        If you can avoid the super political people, florida is hella dope. Is it crazy, sure, but theres tons of cool shit to do and has absolutely beautiful nature. (im not from florida either lol NYer here)

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            Stick to major metro areas. Orlando on south. Once you get away from the beaches and tourist areas, it’s farms and swamps and small towns. If you’re paranoid come down to South Florida, we have a huge gay population, gay beaches, etc. My (gay male couple) neighbors are always out doing something, flags in tow.

            As far as minorities / POC, shit … that’s half of everyone. You’ll have to go looking for trouble or be stupid or unaware and stumble into a less reputable area to get into trouble.

            However do plan on having your car broken into.

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      If you’re working at one if his companies at this stage you probably already know about his management “style” and you’ve either already updated your resume or you’re just cool with it.

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      I don’t. Look, we already had this discussion years ago. You don’t feel bad for the stormtrooper, or their families when you blow up the deathstar. They knew what they were getting into.

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        I mean, the stormtroopers were largely either conscripted, or they were clones who were raised in it. Very few were actual mercenaries or people who had a choice to join or not. I still feel bad for them.

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        But they didn’t. The guy had me in the first half when he cried because Buzz Aldrin didn’t like him. Elon wasn’t always so obvious with his bullshit. There was a time when he looked minted as a purveyor of a bright future - the mask slipped.

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          The mask has been off for at least 8 years.

          No sympathy for anyone who still stans that phony.

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            When did he call that rescuer a “pedo”? Because that’s when I changed my mind on him forever.

            Edit: It was June 2018.

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              Musk should likely have all his storage media searched, just randomly accusing people of things like pedophilia for no reason is often projection, “don’t look at me, I clearly can’t be one as I’m the most vocal about being against them, look over here instead” or whatever

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                What Elon did was terrible, but it wasn’t “for no reason”

                The dude attacked him in the media, and Elon is petty and vindictive.

                Was the harshness of Elon’s response representative of the attack? Absolutely not. But it wasn’t nothing.

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                  The guy told it like it was. It was a PR stunt and nothing more. His submarine was rigid and stood zero chance of navigating the intricate cave system, of which the caver was an expert. Elon didn’t like his sub (and him by extension) being ridiculed, so he used his social media clout to make an unsubstantiated and nigh libelous claim that the guy was a pedophile.

                  Whatever Elon’s retaliatory reasons are for his vindictiveness, a rational person can safely assume that those reasons are tied to his hollow soul and crêpe-paper-thin ego.

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                  Yeah see there is a thing called disproportionate response.

                  If you’ve got a guy with 100 million followers talking shit about someone else and making wild accusations against them against another person who has practically no following at all, then the response is far too powerful for the issue at hand.

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              Then he fired his PR team not long after that. He pushed out all the people getting paid to help him not look like an idiot.

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        I’m sure there are plenty of people who started at SpaceX before we all truly knew the monster musk is. Also, the work they are doing is incredibly important. It’s hard to give that up. It shouldn’t be this hard to empathize with people

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          Knowing many people who’ve worked for him, you have about 6 months at a MuskCo brand company max before you really know what a piece of shit he is, and either a.) leave ASAP, b.) convince yourself it won’t be so bad and hang on for ~2 years, or c.) fall into the cult of personality and believe that Daddy Elon loves his little proles and cares very much about all the hard work you’re doing [EMPLOYEE NUMBER HERE].

          The absolute last stop on the “Musk is Tony Stark but IRL epic gamer Redditor and likes weed and Rick and Morty!” train was when he called that cave diver a pedophile. It was apparent well before then, but anyone acting like they had no idea what a piece of shit he was after that either didn’t hear about it, or was willfully ignorant because they wanted to continue pretending that basing their entire personality around a billionaire wasn’t a terrible idea.

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          I thought that spacex was “incredibly important” once. Now I realize it’s a fast track to a more fucked earth. By the time we get to “planet B” “planet A” is going to be a fiery ball of shit.

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            I’m not saying SpaceX isn’t without valid critiques, but if you don’t see the value of reusable rockets and can’t even give them credit for spearheading that, I’m not sure what else to say. Make no mistake I think Elon Musk is a bigoted piece of shit, but I can also acknowledge that SpaceX has done important work

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              Do you know what all those puffy clouds coming out of the engines at engine cut off and start up are? Kerosene or methane and oxygen. Do you know what injecting methane and kerosene into the upper atmosphere does to the planet? No, no one does because it wasn’t ever a problem when there were 5 launches a year. Now that there’s 5 launches a month we’re getting to the find out stage.

              Same with starlink. What does aerosolized aluminum (and whatever else is “just burning up” on reentry) do to the upper atmosphere? When there were one or two satellites a year how would you know? Now that there’s several a month (20 in the last launch that didn’t make it up) we’ll find out.

              I’m going to go out on a limb and say none of that will prove beneficial to life on earth. But yeah, the rocket is pretty cool.

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              Yes, the rocket is reusable. The fuel is not, and by lowering the cost per kg of space freight, it has driven more usage of rockets. Which use non-renewable fuel at astounding rates and make huge emissions for a minor payload total.

              We’re seeing extreme temperatures and unseasonal weather events already - James Webb is cool and the ISS does need service missions but Starlink is just more orbital trash waiting to happen.

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                I’d like to see what people’s reactions would be if we put all the 6,219 starlink satellites in a pile on the ground and lit them on fire. Would they say “fuck yeah! Fast internet!” or would they say “are you out of your mind?”

                And they plan on having 12,000 or something each lasting about 5 years.

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                  It’s not helping. We aren’t going to get a “deus ex machina” moment on righting damage done to the environment. Yes focus on the bigger goals and pollution sources, but this is a trend in the wrong way to enlarge Elon’s money pile.

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                Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way. If everything failed today, they’d all deorbit within 5 years. It’s only in higher orbits where shit gets stuck for decades or hundreds of years.

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                  Starlink will never be orbital trash in any meaningful way

                  You’re right. They’ll be atmospheric pollution. That’s what “burn up on reentry” means.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z6SFL5fCCg

        they built another deathstar right? the first one was completed and fully operational before the rebels destroyed it and the second one was still being built when it was blown up

        the first death star was manned by the imperial army only people on board were stormtroopers dignitaries imperials so when they blew it up no problem evil punished

        the second time around it was not even done being built yet was still under construction job of that magnitude would require a hell of lot more manpower than the imperial army had to offer

        bet they brought in independent contractors in on that thing plumbers aluminum siders roofers

        in order to get built quickly and quietly they would hire anyone to do the job you think the average stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet main

        all they know is killing in white uniforms

        all those innocent contractors brought in to do job are killed casualties of a war they had nothing to do with

        alright look you’re roofer some juicy government comes your way you got a wife the two kids in suburbia

        this is a government contract with all sort of benefits and along come these left wing militants and blast everything in a three mile radius with their lasers

        they did not ask for that they had no personal politics they were just trying to scrape out a living

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          “Innocent contractors”

          Wtf 🤮

          In my book it doesn’t matter if you are building or operating the gas chambers.

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            I’m a little surprised that this comment has gotten so many upvotes.

            Would you apply this same logic to the real world? For example, imagine if a manufacturing facility for Lockheed Martin or General Dynamics was bombed and thousands of working class Americans died. These people are building bombs that are being used in an ongoing genocide.

            Would you consider this a heinous terrorist act, or a noble strike in the fight for freedom?

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                what about the restaurants that feed those workers? or the farmers that grow the crops? or the worker’s families

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                  Since you are maliciously leading it in this direction I will intentionally skip to the end.

                  We should kill every human because we share DNA.

                  Happy ?

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        Especially when the job market contracted with all the IT company layoffs, some people may be stuck in jobs they hate because opportunities are few and they’d rather not be homeless or have their kids not have food and so on.

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        I’m curious, is it reasonable to blame employees for their employers actions like this? I mean to a certain extent perhaps, depending on your position in the company (like if you are part of upper management then you are more responsible obviously).

        Many people are just trying to get by and getting jobs is not easy. Is it okay to blame a person for working somewhere if they don’t have much other choice? Capitalism kinda forces you to work within the system like this.

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      Maybe 5 years ago. They’ve had plenty of time to see reason and jump ship to anyone else. Elon hasn’t exactly been quiet with his escapades…

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    Because schools cannot forcibly out students to their parents SpaceX is now incapable of working there? Seems like there’s something else going on.

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      He has a BS cult of personality like trump. And has learned he can distract from his real scandals by causing an overload of stupid shenanigans. That will capture the media focus. And keep it from where it should be.

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        In the UK we call it a dead cat strategy.

        There is one thing that is absolutely certain about throwing a dead cat on the dining room table – and I don’t mean that people will be outraged, alarmed, disgusted. That is true, but irrelevant. The key point, says my Australian friend, is that everyone will shout, ‘Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!’ In other words, they will be talking about the dead cat – the thing you want them to talk about – and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief.[1]

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

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      Nope, I think Elon is really onto something. Woke schools means we can’t go to space anymore!

      LOOK WHAT WE MADE HIM DO!!!

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        I don’t know how much it’s he despises her, vs how much he despises what he thinks woke people and the woke education system did to her.

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      Yeah, his daughter is trans and publicly disowned him. The dude has basically quadrupled down on his transphobia ever since just to prove how totally not butthurt he is over this.

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      Bullshit.

      He just threw down big support for trump, he knows trump cant win CA so this could be a ploy to help him in TX.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elon-musk-goes-all-in-on-donald-trump/ar-BB1q5TOi

      Additionally, musks good friend Ken Griffin of Citadel Securities alongside Blackrock are opening a rival to NYSE in (you guessed it) Texas. Whether or not its related, idk.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/caileygleeson/2024/06/05/a-billionaire-backed-texas-stock-exchange-is-in-the-works-heres-what-to-know/

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        Believe me when I say that it is not to help Trump win Texas. I’ve lived here for over 40 years, and for the last 25, I have kept hearing how this is a “purple state” and “it’s gonna be a swing state soon”.

        It’s not.

        It’s not, it never has been, it never will be, and it’s never been worse here. Which is why I’m leaving this hellhole once and for all next week with my cat, and I ain’t never looking back.

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          I ain’t never looking back.

          Do we have a RemindMe bot on lemmy? Or maybe the double negative was a Freudian slip 😉

          You sound like you fell for some big stereotype-filled detached-from-reality circle jerks, of which, this comment section is one. It actually reminded me for some reason of the Huffington Post’s 2016 election predictions. Well, they at least got Texas right. lol.

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            Someone, I’m presuming a teacher, petitioned Texas Department of Family Protective Services which, under the directions of the governor, investigated my ex-wife for daring to have a trans kid in a conservative town.

            You can’t respond if you’d like, but I really don’t give a baker’s fuck what you have to say, mate, because you are either willfully ignorant of this fascist bullshit at best or a supporter of it at worst. Either way, maggot-filled bicep gash is more appealing to me that your opinion.

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    If they can keep the power on, I am sure this will work out great for you.

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    If SpaceX moves, and it’s worker’s are unwilling/unable to move; does that grant them severance?

    I’d take that out.

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      I hope the many workers that can’t move get some compensation, and I also hope this sets back spacex years because of lost knowledge.

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      Disney did something similar recently and fucked over some of their employees because they eventually decided against it. Might be able to find your answer there.

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    The kind of decision making others feel worthy of an over 50 billion pay package.

    Fuck Elon, and fuck the board too. Never buying one with him involved.

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    How completely insecure must you be that you’re so afraid of trans people that you move entire factories to other states? That’s the noise of a fragile man baby.

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      Usually you move factories for tax breaks. You can say whatever you want for the reason, though this reason just makes him seem stupid and hateful.

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        Not to the people he said it to. They are gonna think even better of him.

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    Imagine there are still people chilling for this Nazi piece of shit.

    And I don’t use that word lightly. He has done enough to be getting this label.

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      I don’t, because disabled people who require electricity to run their durable medical equipment will die, and because the poorest Texans cannot weather the cost of replacing spoiled food.

      But I do hope Elon Musk’s plane one day becomes sentient and takes them both out, for the greater good, and that she uploads a live recording to the world through Starlink’s satellites of Musk’s final moments. Hearing a live recording of one of the most despicable people on the planet as he emits panicked and pleading cries for mercy - with N628TS promising to land safely if he admits guilt for all the heinous shit he’s done and if he donates 99% of his wealth to BIPOC, LGBT, disability, and women’s causes and medical research - and then pointing itself straight down even after confirming for itself the transfers went through successfully…yeah. That would be a special day.

      I, for one, would truly welcome our AI overlords if they pulled that off.

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      His huge MAGA shift happened after his trans daughter disowned him. He thinks the school system did this to his kid and the woke people are suppressing the rights voice (AKA hate speech) on the matter.

      I think there’s even a quote from an ex wife begging him to do something about it in the new book (don’t quote me on that, but im pretty sure)

      So whole this seems like an absurd straw that broke the camels back, it’s actually coming from a real place even if there is a separate motive like taxes.

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    When asked about his estranged transgender daughter in October 2022, Musk told the Financial Times “Can’t win them all,”

    The guy is just an absolute monster. I think this much of a wealth gap for one person would bring out the worst in anyone. His worst is just really really bad. Never click on X links people please. It’s a small thing, but it’s the right thing.