When are we going to recognize that both Hamas and the current Israeli government are shitty murderous people that are backed by quite a big % of their population.
It’s not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. It’s about backing muderers or not.
Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine?
You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas.
The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years?
Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now?
The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal.
Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists?
Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I’m sure.
They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel.
In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same.
In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected.
This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you’ll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like “Palestinians rejected peace”.
And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression.
Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama’s as controlled opposition.
Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn’t react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve.
Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it.
Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous.
By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily.
Yes indeed, that’s true. The difference is that now, they don’t even want to be part of a future “unity government” like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination.
No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You’re blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed.
Oh great the world’s most precious people have finally been saved and all it took was a genocide on their behalf!
Hamas could have let them go and lay down their arms at any time to stop the war.
even with the ceasefire, Israel is still enforcing starvation
Israel to halve Gaza aid over slow return of dead hostages
https://ground.news/article/israel-to-halve-gaza-aid-over-slow-return-of-dead-hostages_89770c
They could have and they should have. In fact, Hamas shouldn’t have existed in the first place but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
When are we going to recognize that both Hamas and the current Israeli government are shitty murderous people that are backed by quite a big % of their population.
It’s not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. It’s about backing muderers or not.
Yes. And yet you’ll get banned from plenty of lemmy subs for saying it.
How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement?
There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023.
How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction.
And how do you explain this away as well?
I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time?
@eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself
Israel could have ended occupation and could accept the deal Hamas proposed to release the hostages few days after 7 of October massacres
Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine?
You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas.
The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years?
Israel is not a real country. Get on with the facts & reality
All countries are manmade. That’s a non-starter.
Not Israel.
Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality.
It’s a European settler-colony. You death worshipper
Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now?
The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal.
Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists?
Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I’m sure.
people being this clueless still amazes me.
Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid).
All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda
When they weren’t spreading it themselves.
Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll.
They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel.
When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons.
The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/
In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same.
In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected.
This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you’ll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like “Palestinians rejected peace”.
And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression.
Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous.
Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous
Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama’s as controlled opposition.
Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn’t react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve.
Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it.
Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous.
By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily.
Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war.
Yes indeed, that’s true. The difference is that now, they don’t even want to be part of a future “unity government” like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination.
No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You’re blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed.
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