First one to build the unconnected EV where the purchaser has admin rights (and no one else), wins the race.
Here in the United States a person can already build new or convert existing gasoline vehicles to be “unconnected” and in every way except possibly the battery management doing it with an EV would actually be easier.
It does cost money and take some time but probably less of both than you may think.
Yeah I saw a guy convert an old Toyota pickup into an EV and it cost about $18,000 IIRC. Biggest expense is obviously the batteries, followed by motor and charging system. Madman kept the original 5 speed which I absolutely respect.
I have a used 2017 Chevy Bolt that I absolutely adore. I bet I could pretty easily disable the OnStar if I was so inclined and paranoid about it somehow getting updates. But I doubt I need to do that.
Admin right on the automotive parts seems like asking for trouble by default. While I’m very much in favor of owning and controlling all my devices, cars feels like weapons we put in the hand of the general public because they’re deemed safe under regulations, so… yeah.
However, an EV with a separate automotive computer that only do car stuff under strict control, connected to another one that do management, UI, entertainment, etc. that’s more open, I could see that. As long as the proprietary one have decent changelogs (that you’d have to trust, sadly) and can be updated at will with a decent UX instead of “your car’s dead this morning lol”. That sound like a viable compromise.
I have long said in regard to Microsoft Windows, “If anyone else can shutdown your computer without your permission, it is not your computer, it is theirs” - same goes for cars.
Any bad thing the user wants to do with the car can already be done by the person with the keys. Allowing the user more control could prevent someone including a terrorist or enemy state from doing something bad to millions of people like virtually cutting everyone’s brakes at once.
Hating Communists has always been an acceptable form of bigotry. You don’t have to listen to what they say, just dismiss them (and insult them!) for wanting a world that doesn’t run on money.
You do realize that like 95% of the planet doesn’t want something like that. They just want something they can get in go that works and that if it breaks down somebody else can fix. Most people don’t care about connected or not connected. In fact most people actually want to be connected.
They might not want that up front, but an Internet-disconnected car that gives the owner full control doesn’t imply that it would be unreliable or hard to fix.
I’d even be ok with a connected-by-default car, as long as I have the option to disconnect it and do what I want with it, like any other computer I own. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, and I feel like it makes both audiences happy.
First one to build the unconnected EV where the purchaser has admin rights (and no one else), wins the race.
Unfortunately, this model is probably already deemed illegal. Regulatory capture is a beautiful thing 👀😬🙊
Here in the United States a person can already build new or convert existing gasoline vehicles to be “unconnected” and in every way except possibly the battery management doing it with an EV would actually be easier.
It does cost money and take some time but probably less of both than you may think.
Yeah I saw a guy convert an old Toyota pickup into an EV and it cost about $18,000 IIRC. Biggest expense is obviously the batteries, followed by motor and charging system. Madman kept the original 5 speed which I absolutely respect.
I have a used 2017 Chevy Bolt that I absolutely adore. I bet I could pretty easily disable the OnStar if I was so inclined and paranoid about it somehow getting updates. But I doubt I need to do that.
Probably as easy as pulling the fuse for the cellular card. That’s the case for a lot of these connected cars
Admin right on the automotive parts seems like asking for trouble by default. While I’m very much in favor of owning and controlling all my devices, cars feels like weapons we put in the hand of the general public because they’re deemed safe under regulations, so… yeah.
However, an EV with a separate automotive computer that only do car stuff under strict control, connected to another one that do management, UI, entertainment, etc. that’s more open, I could see that. As long as the proprietary one have decent changelogs (that you’d have to trust, sadly) and can be updated at will with a decent UX instead of “your car’s dead this morning lol”. That sound like a viable compromise.
if i cant use sudo on my own device, then its not my device!
I have long said in regard to Microsoft Windows, “If anyone else can shutdown your computer without your permission, it is not your computer, it is theirs” - same goes for cars.
I only agree if that separation means the vehicle cannot be remotely disabled by the manufacturer; on purpose or by accident.
Any bad thing the user wants to do with the car can already be done by the person with the keys. Allowing the user more control could prevent someone including a terrorist or enemy state from doing something bad to millions of people like virtually cutting everyone’s brakes at once.
I just want a mechanical safety backup for the brakes, even non-EV new cars don’t have that :(
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Did toyota get rid of their hand e-brake? I thought they were one of the few left that still had a manual e-brake.
None of the newer Toyotas except the 86 that I’ve been have had a proper mechanical handbrake sadly :(
My 22 Tacoma has a proper hand brake
Oh yeah, I didn’t think about commercial vehicles like pickups and vans.
The hilux definitely has a proper hand brake, and their vans do too.
That’s a horrible idea for so many scenarios. Maintenance, repairs, accidents, sales, accidental death… Yeah, no.
Can you elaborate the regulatory part? Is it required by law to have them always connected to force push updates?
They’re a .ml idiot. Block and move on.
Do you have any issues to their point or are you having a bad day and decided to call people names?
Hating Communists has always been an acceptable form of bigotry. You don’t have to listen to what they say, just dismiss them (and insult them!) for wanting a world that doesn’t run on money.
Clearly the person has issues
Someone’s an idiot here, but it’s certainly not them.
You do realize that like 95% of the planet doesn’t want something like that. They just want something they can get in go that works and that if it breaks down somebody else can fix. Most people don’t care about connected or not connected. In fact most people actually want to be connected.
They might not want that up front, but an Internet-disconnected car that gives the owner full control doesn’t imply that it would be unreliable or hard to fix.
I’d even be ok with a connected-by-default car, as long as I have the option to disconnect it and do what I want with it, like any other computer I own. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, and I feel like it makes both audiences happy.
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