ending public schools doesn’t sound too crazy until you realize how much private schools can cost. Parents gonna get some sticker shock if these plans go through
ending public schools doesn’t sound too crazy
Yes it does?!?
Well I find it crazy because I went to public school, but like I’ve talked to an oddly large amount of people who either didnt go to public school or think everything should be privatized. Like of the people in my extended family like a third were homeschooled for instance.
Conservatives want to privatize everything because then extracting money from it is “profit” rather than “embezzlement”.
Also, a lot of private schools are very religious because they don’t have to adhere to any separation of church and state. Get rid of public schools and you no longer have to use loopholes to indoctrinate children.
Like of the people in my extended family like a third were homeschooled for instance.
And how did that go for them?
One is a nuclear scientist… I’m probably living in a weird niche. I think its actually the private school people who who got the most fucked up but most the home schoolers I’ve met have large gaps in their knowledge (history is probably the most common and one has poor science literacy, for instance)
I suppose there can be success stories, but I worry more end up with gaps. Still, I think you’re right, stronger public education sounds like the answer.
I went to a private school and I was abused by the same teacher for all six years I was there. He also ran the school so he basically controlled me and made sure I never told my parents, who didn’t figure it out until I was an adult and someone else told them because all I had done was drop hints and then I eventually gave up.
Fuck private schools. They are accountable to no one.
Less education? Idiocracy is getting more ideal by the hour
They’ll just give vouchers for Christian private schools, who will charge as much as they like but it’ll be an ‘approved’ school and drain more taxpayer money. Also sounds crazy when you realize the attendance in a public school. Basically funding Christian oriented schools.
Didn’t downvote you and see what you mean, but your conclusion didn’t really come out to their endgame. It’ll be affordable to all, cause it’ll be Indoctrination for Christian Nationalists.
you’ll still have to pay a lot of money to get real education. I mean like these christian schools struggle with things like evolution, the age of the universe. So science education is something that will be expensive.
Its ironic that science classes were the only part of public school I enjoyed. I cannot think of something more sad and joyless than a bunch of adults teaching kids about their congnitively dissonent interpretation of the bible or whatever instead of being able to point at the sky and say “the light from that star is older than this entire planet”
That’s the thing, they don’t care if people have a solid understanding of science if it gives them power / more true believers. It’s a completely backwards thinking that’ll set back science for years, decades or more if it really takes hold.
If the strongest military power on Earth is being controlled by religious fundamentalists (aka heritage foundation) it is quite scary. Sure it’ll take some time to widdle down the will of the people in charge (replace them) but given a bit of time it could easily happen and they don’t just want to change their country they think their opinion is right for the world.
I also agree, I love science, I’m older but I still strive to learn new things, get excited by new discoveries it’d be a shame if that stopped cause people gave up on it, or if education failed people wanting to learn it.
you’ll still have to pay a lot of money to get real education.
And that’s a good thing to you?
Absolutely not, no parent should be choosing between educating their child and feeding their child. Not only should children’s education be free, there should be more meal support.
And yet you want only private schools where the more you pay, the better education you get.
Make up your mind.
Is that what I want? Did I say that somewhere?
Yes, I already quoted you once:
you’ll still have to pay a lot of money to get real education.
That was you defending your own idea after someone criticized the conclusion you came up with.
Here it is in context:
It’s pretty silly to pretend that isn’t what you were arguing for when someone can just look at the comments you made in the order in which they were made.
you’ll still have to pay a lot of money to get real education.
Exactly, meaning most people won’t. Leading to dumber, more easily controlled citizens. Easily locked into their 40-50hr/wk rat-race, happy for a meager bit of comfort, unwilling to take the risk involved in forcing real actual change.
And so the seed has been sown…
This is a summary of Project 2025.
Reminds me how this guy got started.
I don’t know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)
All that to say: i’m pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.
Edit: also this bit in that article you linked, which seems to allude to the president possibly starting out as a liberal and becoming fascist, which is chef’s kiss
Perhaps just as controversial as the decisions of which states seceded in “Civil War” are the choices as to which states stayed. Notably, the whole Northeast, including the protagonists’ main residence of New York, has stayed loyal to the fascist government, a plot point certain to raise questions about what happened to the former liberal stronghold. In an interview with The Atlantic, Alex Garland offered up the possibility that changes in political alignments occurred as a result of the President’s own politics changing between his first term and his third: “He may be a fascist at the point we meet him, but he presumably in his first term didn’t say [that] …”
I don’t know if Civil War is meant to have a clear real-world corollary for the conflict. In the movie Texas and California are aligned against the president and Florida and most of the NW states (including Idaho and Ohio) are breakaway factions that seem aligned against the federal forces as well (the implication that Idaho and Ohio are in the communist state alliance is pretty fucking laughable)
i almost didn’t watch the movie because all the reviews i read were stuck on this one point but …
… i’m pretty sure the producers intentionally avoided real-life groups to keep the movie focused on the topic of journalism and to avoid it being used in exactly this type of political fearmongering.
it was clear to me that this was true during the paramilitary soldier hostage scene; that was the closest the film ever got to contemporary political alignment and even then it was vague enough not to point fingers.
i’m so glad the movie i intended to see was sold out and i ended up watching civil war instead because it’s one of those movies that sticks with you and i’ve haven’t felt that way about a movie in a long time.
kirsten dunst was the reason why i went with this movie over the other options i had at that moment and i suspected that the movie would be at least decent from the start since i’ve liked every movie she’s ever been in; i would have seen this movie on opening day were it not for all the reviews i mentioned earlier.
Yup, I think a lot of people avoided the movie because there’s an obvious proximity to current events that’s just too stressful for casual viewing, but I think they did a pretty tasteful/artistic job making the politics of the narrative vague and even a little subversive. It ends up keeping you focused on the details because you’re looking for those clues, but ends up putting you in the shoes of the journalists, trying to piece together a political narrative that you can’t quite see in the moment while you’re being bombarded with the horrors of war and armed conflict. I love that part of the movie, because it presents that tension of what they’re there to do as journalists - taking pictures to catalogue a larger narrative as the soldiers they’re following lay dying in the fog of war and unable to clearly see the bigger outlines. The viewer ends up feeling a little resentful of the journalists, because they seem a bit uncaring about the horrors they’re witnessing in service of getting the chance of capturing history.
That’s also why I got a little worked up seeing it mentioned in this thread… op was doing the thing the movie was clearly going out of its way to prevent. Idk. The movie is great and I hate seeing it used as an inflammatory political statement.
I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas if our two states ever teamed up we would steamroll the rest of the nation.
I gotta say as a Californian, as much as we bag on Texas …
that interests me greatly.
when i moved from san francisco to austin i was surprised by how many “don’t california my texas” bumper stickers and flags shown everywhere. at first i attributed it to having to switch to driving for my commute and i thought it was odd that i had never sensed a such a reciprocated sentiment expressed while lived in all of california; much less be so ubiquitous every you go.
yours is the first i’ve ever heard.
Most of our bagging on Texas is talking about how cute it is they think they’re in the same league as us, economically.
I clicked on your “this guy” link and I got an ad…
…of Obama asking for campaign donations.
I know it wasn’t your intent but the irony of that ad playing in that context was just too good.
Trump forgot about the Streisand Effect.
He was a very effective user of it, and now the tables have turned.
Hopefully it helps for the US elections, from a concerned neighbor of theirs.
With the reach of a fashist US, we all would be neighbours…
Yes. A full-on fascist dictatorship with the power of the US is unprecedented in world history. I don’t want to find out how it goes.
Fucking good. I’ve been screaming about this for a long time.
I still don’t know if the attention on this is a good or a bad thing
Good thing. Despite how it sometimes feels, most Americans aren’t hateful pieces of shit and don’t support this crap. It’s just hard to get them to go out and vote.
the conservative folks i know don’t see conservative policy as being hateful
Of course not. Nobody thinks they’re the bad guy. It takes an outside perspective to know.
It’s just hard to get them to go out and vote.
it would be a lot easier if the dnc didn’t suppress popular candidates in favor of candidates with decades long histories of conservative bona fides.
I suspect it’s a good thing. Conservatives don’t search for things that discredit their views. And I doubt their media is playing this up as anything that deserves attention. It’s probably mentioned as a thing to be ignored. I have no factual basis for my suspicions. I could be completely wrong.
my conservative friends and family from the garbage can i grew up in very much like this sort of thing, and probably see it as a justification to vote for sexual dingus trump.
im hoping it will force more democrat voters to go outside.
Conservatives don’t search for things that discredit their view.
I think you’re right here but I think we can all be very much like that. Using trump and conservatives as a reference to what we all do, no one Googles “is trump bad.” No, we already know the answer to what we think about that. Instead, we google something like “trump is the best” which (along with our personalised algorithm, designed to tell us what we want to hear so we keep engaged) tells us all about how trump is the best.
I think one thing that might help anyone who wants to de-program trumpers, along with the parts that are their own fault, they genuinely are victims of the algorithm they’re trapped in. I mean, we all are but right wingers, being right wingers, rarely have the self awareness needed to adjust for it. Theyre amongst the groups most disenfranchised and exploited by these things. It doesn’t absolve them of blame but, imo, its more complicated than a lot of people make out.
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I love how you declared my example to be lazy, only to then make, essentially, the same example again. Dont get me wrong, I’m not saying that I disagree with me.
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It’s a good thing, much of the things included are unpopular, even by conservatives
This is good news, while it wouldn’t be enough to sway diehards, it will sway the undecided who don’t want to see the nation become a shell of its former self. Conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from their most desired plan will make mistakes and screw up enough to hopefully get caught out. Here’s hoping at least.
Not enough people get triggered enough by maga policies though. Enough are concerned about abortion maybe but transgender rights, marijuana, Ukraine, climate change, nah. I fear that too many people would rather vote for the candidate everyone wrongly belives is going to improve the economy than any of that stuff, not that I agree that’s the right choice.
This “don’t want bad things to happen to you? Simply don’t be trans/gay/poor/different” mentality that so many people believe in needs to stop.
That’s three things I don’t want tickets for
there’s a reason why republicans and the corporate media are desperate to try and push president biden out of the race.
As opposed to everyone else, who hope dearly that the 25th will be invoked if he’s elected. Though I doubt anyone wanted the first woman president to get the job without being elected, it will warm my heart if Hillary Clinton is alive to see the first woman president and it isn’t a Clinton.
This so the single best reason I’ve ever heard to get Harris the office… To spite Hilary lol
A kind reminder from Germany: If anyone tells that they “didn’t know what they were getting into” and that “it didn’t seem as bad, they cant really mean it” and “time in power will pacify them and they won’t push through with their claims” - we already had this story and these excuses. I hope that we all can prevent the fascists from getting into power. I really don’t want stuff I’ve read in history books to repeat in my lifetime. The more people know about P2025, the better - but to be honest I fear that most will just ignore it and go on with their day.
The worst part is, we already had this shitstain in power before. This would be like if Hitler had been appointed chancellor for 4 years and was still chosen again later.
He clearly abused his power while in office before and was only kept in check by his idiocy and by people around him who understood that there is/was limits to presidential power. With SCOTUS basically giving the president kingly powers to do fuck all, the gloves are off and that shit-stain can just do whatever the fuck he wants. It’s so aggravating the number of people in power enabling possibly the worst person in human history to behave even more irresponsibly and giving into even stupider ideas. And that it’s even this close in polling #s makes me think America will deserve whatever happens to it as a result.
America will deserve whatever happens to it as a result
I get why you’d think that, but only the ones who voted for him or didn’t vote for Biden will, because many millions more people will not vote for him - it just won’t matter because of our fucked up electoral system.
It’s already being dismissed as a hoax. The articles about “gay furry activists” leaking the info have allowed people on the right to claim it’s just nonsense, and Trump would never do such things to them.
The people already on the right largely can’t be saved
ppl on the right don’t need a “hoax” to not believe anything that doesn’t come from trump…
Hopefully it doesn’t involve swallowing bleach
No, it’s much MUCH worse
Calling it “Trump’s Project 2025” is misinformation given that Trump has publicly stated he has nothing to do with this thing.
He does have a lot to do with it, but he did not think of any of it.
If you believe anything Trump says, you’re already lost. Trump should be assumed to be lying unless there’s at least 2 credible sources backing up what he says. Dude lies about as often as he draws breath.
damn the mainstream media is going to have to go into overtime to reverse the damage to trump and keep pushing their “biden should drop out” narrative.
Reminder from Hungary: Go and vote for Biden or whoever the democrats will replace him with. Fidesz’es overreach is too big, they destroy everything they don’t like, and nowadays more and more people that were originally scared by the mass shootings and the ease of availability of guns would like us to have that same kind of access. Our only hope is either somehow the biggest allies of Fidesz disappear in one way or another (death, etc.), or the Ukrainians would really sell those weapons on the black market to us the Hungarian citizens.
I remember many art and similar projects die, because Fidesz defunded the art, then their cronies took over everything and only let artists that pushed blatant pro-Fidesz propaganda.
He should grow a Hitler mustache
