• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Oh shit, the mask came off, lol. Guess you would vote for Hitler, rather than join leftists.

    “the mask” - I haven’t been hiding anything. I’m not saying not to do anything at all to fight against the Nazi. I’m saying that if you are given the political choice between “bad” and “terrible” you pick “bad”. Not voting and allowing “terrible” to win is the same as voting for “terrible”.

    Your option is to whine about the world and let the Nazi+ win. Lotsa good you do.

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      4 months ago

      “the mask” - I haven’t been hiding anything. I’m not saying not to do anything at all to fight against the Nazi. I’m saying that if you are given the political choice between “bad” and “terrible” you pick “bad”. Not voting and allowing “terrible” to win is the same as voting for “terrible”.

      Except those aren’t the choices. If you genuinely believe the words you are saying, you should be organizing armed revolt. You have the power to vote for whoever you want, and voting at the federal level is designed to not make a difference. Down ballot measures are far more important, and meaningful change comes from outside pressure to begin with.

      Your option is to whine about the world and let the Nazi+ win. Lotsa good you do.

      Nah, it’s to build up dual power and try to stop the genocidal Empire from continuing to brutalize the world so that people like you can have cheap treats.

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        4 months ago

        I’ve never once said or tried to dissuade you from exercising all other political options. Rally, protest, etc. Do what you want to effect change.

        You have the power to vote for whoever you want, and voting at the federal level is designed to not make a difference. Down ballot measures are far more important, and meaningful change comes from outside pressure to begin with.

        This is mostly irrelevant to our discussion.

        Nah, it’s to build up dual power and try to stop the genocidal Empire from continuing to brutalize the world so that people like you can have cheap treats.

        You’re going to screw us all with your failed idealism is what you’re gonna do.

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          I’ve never once said or tried to dissuade you from exercising all other political options. Rally, protest, etc. Do what you want to effect change.

          Will continue, don’t need your permission.

          This is mostly irrelevant to our discussion.

          Don’t see how it isn’t relevant, we are discussing electoralism.

          You’re going to screw us all with your failed idealism is what you’re gonna do.

          You say, telling me to hold my nose and vote for genocide, signaling that genocide is okay as long as the leading party will also commit genocide, rather than try to change the system itself.

          Have fun ardently supporting genocide.

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            4 months ago

            Have fun ardently supporting genocide.

            Oh I’m fighting against genocide - Trump will throw fucking fuel on that fire. I’m doing what I can to stop him. Biden is much more reasonable. He’s been making at least some effort to bring about a cease fire.

            Things can always get worse.

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              Oh I’m fighting against genocide - Trump will throw fucking fuel on that fire.

              How can he do so? He will continue the same genocide, and if you aren’t resisting on the ground either way then you really don’t care.

              I’m doing what I can to stop him.

              By supporting a geriatric genocidal Imperialist?

              Biden is much more reasonable.

              Today I learned Genocide and Imperialism are reasonable.

              He’s been making at least some effort to bring about a cease fire.

              He has not. His posturing has done nothing materially, aid is still being shipped and the US is still propping up genocide.

              Things can always get worse.

              Truly a sign that simply continuing the slide down to hellworld as the DNC and GOP push further and further to the right while the American Empire crumbles is somehow the correct option, by your logic.