This is not slop, this is political misinformation. Call it what it is.
Slop is annoying, but it’s just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.
As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:
This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.
Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?
Yeah. Yeah.
Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.
If they can take something like “woke” and use it to mean something bad, we can take infowars and use it for something good (and correct/accurate). Make that usage of the word the default when people hear it, not the other thing.
It’s both. Slop can be meaningless drivel or deliberate misinformation.
Misinformation is too nice of a word.
hence disinformation, which intentional form of misinformation designed to manipulate the views of the viewers/ or in other situations to give false info to illicit a certain response. misinformation is just ignorant false info being presented with no malice. alot of news media confuse between the 2, when in fact it almost always disinformation.
Yup. Seems quite ragebaity.
Disinformation. Misinformation is when it’s unintentional.
Right, that’s more accurate.
Its not fake if MAGA believes it … that puts it into psyops territory.
Not real, but not exactly “fake”.
Republicans want to hate so badly, they’ll literally create fiction to manifest it and be the victims…
Always have. Most of them have never met the people they’ve been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token “good ones”.
Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of “conservative” is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.
The difference between us and them is that we don’t want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it’s not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.
plus thats why they fall for scams very easily.
Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.
I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.
Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
How much water and electricity does it take to punch someone?
Depends if you’re in their labor camp or not. There’s a time and place for everything. Why be concerned about the environment if creates an environment where the people who will outpace you will destroy it anyways. You’re not saving anything by letting them seize power
Nah, it wasn’t astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it’s real.
What’s equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They’re building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn’t matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.
Ai may just be a tool, but it’s not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.
Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
‘AI is an immigrant’ is a wild fucking take.
Is it? Can you show me that the AI headlines and hype on Lemmy is different from NY Post website’s approach to immigrants?
Same coin different faces. If you told a republican that they bought into anti immigration astro turfing what would that tell you?
https://files.catbox.moe/7qaw0m.mp4
Ya, I don’t really get the hate either. It’s just a fun new way to make memes. I feel like most are blowing things out of proportion because the media is telling them to.
Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.
The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.
A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.
It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you.
We all saw this with Reddit. They always started with smaller city subs before moving to bigger ones. Always
I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck in the real world.
They utilize these tools because they have no morals. They are willing to lie and cheat their way into whatever they want.
The left does not have that advantage. We don’t want to lie, we don’t want to cheat, we want the liars and cheaters to be removed from power. Lying harder isn’t going to work for us because unlike the right, we will call out our own for it.
Yea sure the left are morally superior obviously. Not weak and ineffective. Morally superior
Same thing unfortunately. No honor in a real fight.
Right which is my point. But why does the left fall on their own sword. They have all the ability. If we truly believe the left have more people, that Gerry mandering is needed because most people lean left. Then it should be a no brainer than the left needs to activate a fire under each other to overwhelm spaces. But we do the opposite. We retreat. The only conclusions I can think of when I read between the lines is that we were targeted by right wing astro turfing as much as the right was. Or we’re just not smart people as a whole and it’s actually maybe a good thing we’re being backed into our corners
Yeah, why would people not want to use lies and misinformation to promote their side. It truly boggles the mind that anyone could value truth, honesty and integrity.
Is your goal to be truthful or not labeled a terrorist and put into a camp. Take your pick. Truth is subjective.
Why can’t I want both things?
Truth is absolute. There is no such thing as “subjective truth” or “personal truth”.
Something is either true or it isn’t.
You’re wrong, entirely. There’s an absolute truth but we never get to use that. We can only ever use subjective truth. That’s the whole point of the allegory of the cave. The absolute truth is blinding. And your desire to win an argument is creating a subjective truth that is blinding you to something that is critical to understand why they are winning in this era and the left is losing.
Metaphysical nonsense is not a good argument.
It’s very literally the argument. Again your truth and mine don’t align on that which is more proof
Belief in nonsense is called “delusion”. So you go ahead and continue being delusional.
Oh fuck off. Nobody is “astroturfing” AI hate.
Plenty of us hate AI for perfectly reasonable ethical, sociological, and accuracy reasons.
Just because some anti-ethical twats are doing something with AI impactfully doesn’t justify the use of disinformation on our side.
They 100% are. There’s no doubt
We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.
Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.
People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.
Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!
No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment.
And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are sureounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.
We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.
Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
It’s absolutely exhausting knowing how much potential humans have to do great things, but having to watch humanity choose to destroy themselves instead.
In all ways imaginable, especially emotional. I’ve seen some sad shit in my life, but this overall bend toward mindless self-annihilation our species seems to have is by far the saddest…
Enslaved with honor is still enslaved.
Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
Lenin dreamt of this kind of propaganda power.
Fake videos and fake comments pushing us to the edge
Russian psyops
I fear it could be something even more dubious than that.
A marketing campaign for an American company with a foothold in the Whitehouse.
The sooner you realize that the call is coming from inside the house, the better. We’re dealing with a revived KKK and a government that openly supports them. These people are very capable of running their own psyops.
The American right are nasty enough to do this all by themselves.
While you are not wrong, I think the vast majority of them easily fall for that kind of thing.
I’m convinced AI content generation was created with the sole intent of manufacturing outrage material for gullible idiots.
because the rate at which these technophobic illiterates have adopted AI, and expertly use it to generate bullshit, is too high to be otherwise plausible.
Yeah, no doubt. My mother got radicalised by Facebook over the years. It went from cute dog and cat things to “harmless” conspiracy theories (think bigfoot), culminating in fucking her with QAnon propaganda indoctrination. Last I checked up on her, there’s machine generated rubbish all over her feed. She’s beyond saving at this point. Suppose she was always primed for this kind of thing, being pro-homeopathy anti-vaccine person.
She doesn’t question the machine generated content at all, and I saw that if someone points it out, which a scarce few have done, she just justifies it with “well it could be real, this kind of thing does happen.”
At this point I don’t think it matters if this technofascism was a knowing plan, or an unfortunate series of events that by themselves seemed justifiable to the people making the decisions, but it doesn’t really matter. We’re here now. They’re not only trying, but succeeding in coercing governments and undermining democracy.
real sad that she’d throw away all her family and love, for the expense of crazy online conspiracy theories and obsession.
Even if the images were real, I see a woman using her first amendment right to speech and assembly being assaulted by someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution.
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Say it ain’t so! Not James Woods! Fuck, this time line sucks…I want a different one 😤
Maybe I’ll regret asking, but what could “haiku-level brilliant” even mean?
Typical MAGA astonishment at 17 syllables.
He’s been a right-wing asshole for a long time, unfortunately.
I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn’t know.
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I see people daily due to living in a city and it only makes me hate them more.
But equally of course!
Right! Living in a city grows your disdain for all of humanity. But not any particular race.
It’s not just the city. I’ve moved to two small villages that are louder and more obnoxious than the city. It’s our culture and the devaluation of humanity.
Yeah, true, I’m not racist and I think being in multicultural environments since childhood was basically what did it, international boarding school, city with big international population, etc.
Human psychology is the same no matter the tech.
It just makes it easier.
And deadlier.
If right wing people were smart they wouldn’t be right wing. Of course they’re going to believe and share AI slop video. They’re emotional driven fools.
Don’t tell me that 🇺🇸Steve2A🇺🇸god🇺🇸penises🇺🇸 Is a bad person. I just can’t believe it.
If he’s even real.
I feel like AI generated videos of very active things like protests would be easy to debunk. Just look at the people in the background and point out the people disappearing after moving behind another person, or look for changing faces.
Doesn’t matter how easy it is to debunk. I assume you were around for COVID and Trump’s first term?
You haven’t seen a lot of Sora 2 videos. Identifiable traits require a pretty careful eye in many videos to spot.
You absolutely can’t even rely on the watermark, since removing that watermark is trivial to the nation-states running disinfo campaigns, and even for end users removal is trivial compared to creating typical public AI video models.
Even that little blur effect people use to get rid of watermarks, sure it’s sora but it could as easily just be a tiktok username, which people remove all the time. So the people who want to believe it, will.
This is actually pretty scary because they can just put their enemies in the videos to justify arresting people they don’t like
That’s a lot of work for something they can do already
Not much different than grabbing the neighbors and telling them to say a few statements as witnesses, false or true. A new spin on an old game.
A new spin with far more reach.
True I mean without due process nothing will matter
Manufacturing consent 3.0
