You don’t turn 18 and magically discover your actions have consequences.
“Not a heavy crime”? I’ll introduce you to Sarah, Marie and Olivia. You can tell them it was just a joke. You can tell them the comments they’ve received as a result are just jokes. The catcalling, mentions that their nipples look awesome, that their pussies look nice, etc are just jokes. All 3 of them are changing schools, 2 are failing their years. Because of something someone else did to them. And you claim it’s not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
Kids are kids until 18 because people mature at different rates. At 18 it is safe to assume most have matured enough. This kid could be 18 mentally, but he could also be 13 mentally.
Why are you trying emotional manipulation in order to justify punishing this one kid as if he was an adult?
Here, let me show you what you just did.
Let me introduce you to Steve. His life was ruined because he made a deepfake of a girl he likes and sent it to his friend, but he shouldn’t have trusted that friend, because the deepfake then found itself on every phone in class. Steve got a 3 year sentence, forcing early dropout, and due to his permanent mark, he would forever be grouped with rapists and could never find a job. He killed himself at 21.
And you claim it’s not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
Yes, he should face consequences the same way any child should face consequence, by being grounded and shamed, maybe he loses his allowance and gets a suspension.
You don’t charge kids as adults, period. They’re stupid, they sometimes (often) don’t think of the consequences. They deserve more chances.
Not when you ruin someone else’s life. It seems you do not realise how severe the consequences are. Perhaps also stuck as a 13 yo?
At 15 you’re not a kid anymore. You already know consequences are a thing. You just haven’t had to deal with em cuz yer still treated with the kiddie gloves. At 15 you are deemed responsible enough to be placed in charge of other kids. You are deemed responsible enough to start partaking in traffic. You are expected to know the consequences of your actions.
But yeah, sure, let’s keep treating em like kids. And then remove the gloves on that magical day they turn 18.
Well no. It’s a gradual process. Just like growing up. You don’t suddenly shoot to your full height or grow a full set of tits. At 12 you start with small responsibilities, they increase in severity/importance as the kid grows up. At 15 kids are usually mature enough to take on heavier responsibilities such as babysitting, starting to learn how to drive, etc.
It seems the majority of you didn’t learn anything. Lives are being irrevocably damaged and you’re going: oh boys will be boys, just let them have their fun.
Failure to heavily oppose actions like this is you helping raise the next Andrew Taint loving generation. GG
The human mind doesn’t even really fully mature until your mid 20s. A 15 year old still has a good full decade until full maturity, and they are notorious for making impulsive decisions without realizing the consequences of their actions.
What he did was wrong and he deserves punishment, but ruining his life too for being a dumb teenager does nothing for the unimaginable harm caused to this girl, it just makes more victims.
I don’t know what the right answer is, but I can tell you the wrong answer is to ruin a teenagers life over a stupid act when that isn’t going to solve anything.
Punishment should be a deterrent. Not an even trade. Your line of thinking is what gets us free rape passes for sports jocks “cuz they have so much potential”.
You don’t mature all at once, but you also cannot place general expectation of responsibility at certain ages either, such as when it is acceptable to babysit or drive. That is entirely dependent on the individual kids’ upbringing.
Kids at 15 are not mature enough to do anything. That should be anyone’s expectations of a child they don’t know.
Heavy punishent will only put more kids in jail. It will not prevent kids from making irreversible mistakes, nor will it undo any of the damage. You just ruin one more life, because in the end, the people who most need to consider the consequences are the parents, and a lot of parents simply are not going to do this. So then what? Kids with shitty upbringings deserve no second chances? I believe they do.
we are literally talking about an image that was made out of thin air, the description of “ruining someones life” is fucking absurd considering the very real alternative in this case.
Perhaps at least a small portion of the blame for what these girls are going through should be laid upon the society which obstinately teaches that a woman’s worth as a person is so inextricably tied to her willingness and ability to maintain the privacy of her areolas and vulva that the mere appearance of having failed in the endeavour is treated as a valid reason to disregard her humanity.
Ultimately I’m not sure where I fall on this issue, but the fact that you just mindlessly claimed that this person wants to see tits and clits, when they said nothing of the sort, just exposes how fully you realize you can’t defend an actual position.
It’s a common rhetoric certain people use. People that want everyone to be OK with nudity and in most cases diddling kiddo’s. Same arguments, almost verbatim, have been used in the map-sphere.
People that want everyone to be OK with nudity and in most cases diddling kiddo’s. Same arguments, almost verbatim, have been used in the map-sphere.
you say this like they’re saying that children have to be naked in order to be outside legally. The point they were making is that the primary reason half of what you said was a significant concern is due explicitly to our current social climate and it’s values. While not fully relevant, they still made a point, and considering how bad your argumentative rhetoric is, i’d say it’s a fair shot at something you said, considering you didn’t have much else to say other than accusing someone of being a pedophile i guess.
I don’t know how common it is to argue that women and girls should be treated as though they have worth and dignity regardless of their sexual proclivities and discretion, but it should be more common than it seems to be.
As for your assertion that holding this belief somehow betrays pedophilic sympathies - I have to admit, I don’t follow. Although I will say whether the literacy failure in this argument is mine or yours I am content to leave as an exercise to our readers.
There is no contradicton in believing that collectively shaming people who have had porn of them made is wrong and that making nonconsensual porn of people is wrong. Both are wrong. At no point did I say otherwise.
We have been able to see faces since forever and people are still mocked for having faces that don’t fit the popular norms. Your argument is flawed.
i have vitiligo on my face, have yet to be mocked for it. People only ask about it respectfully.
People still have the right to privacy.
actually, no you don’t. Very few places have legal protections for privacy, both online, and physically, if you go outside in most states in the US you’re being trained on some sort of crime stopping AI dataset somewhere
All 3 of them are changing schools, 2 are failing their years. Because of something someone else did to them. And you claim it’s not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
and by the time they’re 18 and moving on to college, or whatever they’re probably busy not fucking worrying about whatever happened in high school, because at the end of the day you have two options here:
be a miserable fuck.
try to be the least miserable fuck you can, and do something productive.
Generally people pick the second option.
And besides, at the end of the day, it’s literally not real, none of this exists. It’s better than having your nudes leaked. Should we execute children who spread nudes of other children now? That’s a far WORSE crime to be committing, because now that shit is just out there, and it’s almost definitely on the internet, AND IT’S REAL.
Seems to me like you’re unintentionally nullifying the consequences of actual real CSAM material here.
Is my comment a little silly and excessive? Yes, that was my point. It’s satire.
Victims of trauma dont just forget because time passes. They graduate (or dont) and move on in their lives, but the lingering effects of that traumatic experience shape the way the look at the worlds, whether they can trust, body disphoria, whether they can form long-lasting relationships, and other long last trauma responses. Time does not heal the wounds of trauma, they remain as scars that stay vulnerable forever (unless deliberate action is taken by the victim to dismantle the cognitive structure formed by the trauma event).
You don’t turn 18 and magically discover your actions have consequences.
“Not a heavy crime”? I’ll introduce you to Sarah, Marie and Olivia. You can tell them it was just a joke. You can tell them the comments they’ve received as a result are just jokes. The catcalling, mentions that their nipples look awesome, that their pussies look nice, etc are just jokes. All 3 of them are changing schools, 2 are failing their years. Because of something someone else did to them. And you claim it’s not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
Kids are kids until 18 because people mature at different rates. At 18 it is safe to assume most have matured enough. This kid could be 18 mentally, but he could also be 13 mentally.
Why are you trying emotional manipulation in order to justify punishing this one kid as if he was an adult?
Here, let me show you what you just did. Let me introduce you to Steve. His life was ruined because he made a deepfake of a girl he likes and sent it to his friend, but he shouldn’t have trusted that friend, because the deepfake then found itself on every phone in class. Steve got a 3 year sentence, forcing early dropout, and due to his permanent mark, he would forever be grouped with rapists and could never find a job. He killed himself at 21. And you claim it’s not that bad? The fuck is wrong with you?
Steve did this. His actions. He should face the consequences. See the difference?
Yes, he should face consequences the same way any child should face consequence, by being grounded and shamed, maybe he loses his allowance and gets a suspension.
You don’t charge kids as adults, period. They’re stupid, they sometimes (often) don’t think of the consequences. They deserve more chances.
Not when you ruin someone else’s life. It seems you do not realise how severe the consequences are. Perhaps also stuck as a 13 yo?
At 15 you’re not a kid anymore. You already know consequences are a thing. You just haven’t had to deal with em cuz yer still treated with the kiddie gloves. At 15 you are deemed responsible enough to be placed in charge of other kids. You are deemed responsible enough to start partaking in traffic. You are expected to know the consequences of your actions.
But yeah, sure, let’s keep treating em like kids. And then remove the gloves on that magical day they turn 18.
You need to pick an age as the “magical day” anyway. Not really a good argument
Well no. It’s a gradual process. Just like growing up. You don’t suddenly shoot to your full height or grow a full set of tits. At 12 you start with small responsibilities, they increase in severity/importance as the kid grows up. At 15 kids are usually mature enough to take on heavier responsibilities such as babysitting, starting to learn how to drive, etc.
It seems the majority of you didn’t learn anything. Lives are being irrevocably damaged and you’re going: oh boys will be boys, just let them have their fun.
Failure to heavily oppose actions like this is you helping raise the next Andrew Taint loving generation. GG
The human mind doesn’t even really fully mature until your mid 20s. A 15 year old still has a good full decade until full maturity, and they are notorious for making impulsive decisions without realizing the consequences of their actions.
What he did was wrong and he deserves punishment, but ruining his life too for being a dumb teenager does nothing for the unimaginable harm caused to this girl, it just makes more victims.
I don’t know what the right answer is, but I can tell you the wrong answer is to ruin a teenagers life over a stupid act when that isn’t going to solve anything.
Punishment should be a deterrent. Not an even trade. Your line of thinking is what gets us free rape passes for sports jocks “cuz they have so much potential”.
Maturity of the brain is irrelevant here.
You don’t mature all at once, but you also cannot place general expectation of responsibility at certain ages either, such as when it is acceptable to babysit or drive. That is entirely dependent on the individual kids’ upbringing.
Kids at 15 are not mature enough to do anything. That should be anyone’s expectations of a child they don’t know.
Heavy punishent will only put more kids in jail. It will not prevent kids from making irreversible mistakes, nor will it undo any of the damage. You just ruin one more life, because in the end, the people who most need to consider the consequences are the parents, and a lot of parents simply are not going to do this. So then what? Kids with shitty upbringings deserve no second chances? I believe they do.
we are literally talking about an image that was made out of thin air, the description of “ruining someones life” is fucking absurd considering the very real alternative in this case.
You right his parents have to be punished. They didn’t teach him how to respect other properly.
In terms of paying for damages, you are correct. Sending them to jail though…
I agree with you. I was thinking of something like paying moving fee
Perhaps at least a small portion of the blame for what these girls are going through should be laid upon the society which obstinately teaches that a woman’s worth as a person is so inextricably tied to her willingness and ability to maintain the privacy of her areolas and vulva that the mere appearance of having failed in the endeavour is treated as a valid reason to disregard her humanity.
Perhaps you shouldn’t be so obsessed with nipples and clits.
We have been able to see faces since forever and people are still mocked for having faces that don’t fit the popular norms. Your argument is flawed.
People still have the right to privacy. A right which supercedes your need to see tits and clits.
Ultimately I’m not sure where I fall on this issue, but the fact that you just mindlessly claimed that this person wants to see tits and clits, when they said nothing of the sort, just exposes how fully you realize you can’t defend an actual position.
It’s a common rhetoric certain people use. People that want everyone to be OK with nudity and in most cases diddling kiddo’s. Same arguments, almost verbatim, have been used in the map-sphere.
you say this like they’re saying that children have to be naked in order to be outside legally. The point they were making is that the primary reason half of what you said was a significant concern is due explicitly to our current social climate and it’s values. While not fully relevant, they still made a point, and considering how bad your argumentative rhetoric is, i’d say it’s a fair shot at something you said, considering you didn’t have much else to say other than accusing someone of being a pedophile i guess.
I don’t know how common it is to argue that women and girls should be treated as though they have worth and dignity regardless of their sexual proclivities and discretion, but it should be more common than it seems to be.
As for your assertion that holding this belief somehow betrays pedophilic sympathies - I have to admit, I don’t follow. Although I will say whether the literacy failure in this argument is mine or yours I am content to leave as an exercise to our readers.
And yet you push for more acceptance of nudity. Regardless of the wishes of the people involved.
Funny you focus on the map part, not the actual argument. 😉
There is no contradicton in believing that collectively shaming people who have had porn of them made is wrong and that making nonconsensual porn of people is wrong. Both are wrong. At no point did I say otherwise.
That’s not the contradiction being referred to.
Women and girls are human beings with their own minds and wishes and rights to their own bodies.
Women and girls should show us the goods so we don’t get so horny.
Common or not, they did not make the argument. You presumed a position and then used that made up position to launch an ad hominem.
i have vitiligo on my face, have yet to be mocked for it. People only ask about it respectfully.
actually, no you don’t. Very few places have legal protections for privacy, both online, and physically, if you go outside in most states in the US you’re being trained on some sort of crime stopping AI dataset somewhere
and by the time they’re 18 and moving on to college, or whatever they’re probably busy not fucking worrying about whatever happened in high school, because at the end of the day you have two options here:
be a miserable fuck. try to be the least miserable fuck you can, and do something productive.
Generally people pick the second option.
And besides, at the end of the day, it’s literally not real, none of this exists. It’s better than having your nudes leaked. Should we execute children who spread nudes of other children now? That’s a far WORSE crime to be committing, because now that shit is just out there, and it’s almost definitely on the internet, AND IT’S REAL.
Seems to me like you’re unintentionally nullifying the consequences of actual real CSAM material here.
Is my comment a little silly and excessive? Yes, that was my point. It’s satire.
Victims of trauma dont just forget because time passes. They graduate (or dont) and move on in their lives, but the lingering effects of that traumatic experience shape the way the look at the worlds, whether they can trust, body disphoria, whether they can form long-lasting relationships, and other long last trauma responses. Time does not heal the wounds of trauma, they remain as scars that stay vulnerable forever (unless deliberate action is taken by the victim to dismantle the cognitive structure formed by the trauma event).