Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to 'immediately' order a ceasefire in Ukraine and begin negotiations if Kyiv started withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO.
The funny part is how obvious your lies are. Unless you think all the death and destruction in Ukraine is not actually that but just western propaganda… Which you probably do, based on your post history.
Because you claimed that russia can wage brutal wars but they haven’t so far, that they have showed restraint. And all the videos of hospitals and schools and residential buildings and Bucha, etc. Prove otherwise.
And no need to ask questions because I already know all the answers, I’ve read putin’s version of the history, I don’t need to hear it from you as well.
The Western narrative on Bucha is fraught and reeka of propaganda. This is not to excuse Russia of the horrors of war, which are great, nor its overall system of governance. But there is a lot to look at more closely when it comes to Bucha.
What I would highlight is that Bucha’s civilian infrastructure is intact. You cannot say this for the targets of US empire that have been bombed, historically. There is a qualitative difference in what is destroyed. It strains the heart to see what happens when the alleged “Good Guys” enter a country. The mass death. The dead children. The infants. Death of malnutrition because there is little food. Death from preventable disease because there is no clean water. The children must drink from puddles. The parents gathering water from the least dangerous-seeming source, knowing it is not safe, but having no other option. This is daily life when you are targeted for death by NATO countries. A child dies every minute in Yemen. Every minute. A Western-backed blockade prevents the import of food. The friends of US Empire, the Saudis, waged a war against Yemen, with full and necessary US logistics and intelligence support. The people there suffer under maximum pressure by Western and Western-aligned powers. And they still persist, struggling, finding the means to have solidarity with the people of Gaza.
This is not the situation Ukrainians face. They live under far less depraved pressure. While war is horrific, there are degrees. There are depths to which some sink and others do not.
It is best to oppose the escalation of affairs to make such conditions more likely, or even inevitable, for the people of Ukraine.
Yeah, but what about what the US did somewhere else?! Yeah, that’s also bad, never said it wasn’t. Two wrong don’t make a right. And you saying it could’ve been worse is disgusting. Doesn’t change the facts. Also, ofc the infrastructure was less affected in a pretty much defenseless town raped and slaughtered by russians than in other places where there was actual combat. At least try and think for yourself, c’mon.
What the US does is worse, and it likely does it with the consent and material support of the country you live in.
But that isn’t the point I’m making. It’s that maximum pressure increases the likelihood of an unrestrained, Western-style strategy. Why would anyone want that for the people of Ukraine? You’re not a cold-hearted psychopath in the US State Department. You don’t want that, I wager. I think you’re looking for a fair outcome and are outraged by the unfairness and horror you see before you.
Bucha still exists and has people living in it, by the way. They have endured war, but the language you’re using makes me think you are under the impression that their intact infrastructure doesn’t matter because they are all “raped” or dead. I will tell you that it does matter. It is why they can live less horrible lives.
Well, yeah, if you’re the sort of person that thinks bucha was not that big of a deal because there’s people living there now, then you also believe that the us decides what happens in ukraine and it’s why those people are fighting. They’re us slaves dying for western imperialism. Ofc if we were arguing that, yeah I’d want the us to let the ukranians surrender and allow russia to regroup so they can find another reason a few years later to come back as they’ve been doing for the past 30 years.
Well, yeah, if you’re the sort of person that thinks bucha was not that big of a deal because there’s people living there now
It means that life is viable there. And, in actuality, there is clean water and electricity. This is not afforded to targets of US Empire. They get worse. And this is tacitly accepted, and likely with your country’s support, even while stories are told about Bucha.
then you also believe that the us decides what happens in ukraine and it’s why those people are fighting.
I honestly don’t know what this means. Who are “those people”? I can’t respond to this. I don’t blame you, communication is a two way street, but I don’t know what you mean.
They’re us slaves dying for western imperialism. Ofc if we were arguing that, yeah I’d want the us to let the ukranians surrender and allow russia to regroup so they can find another reason a few years later to come back as they’ve been doing for the past 30 years.
Ukrainians are entire people like any other. They are not simply slaves, though many are conscripted against their will. They are provided minimal training and sent to the front lines. There are men kidnapped and forced into conscription while their families and partners wail. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
Anyways, you are describing Russia as an inevitable revanchist. This discredits the history of Ukraine, of the regional battle that resulted in Euromaidan and the loss of Ukrainian sovereignty, why Crimea was annexed, etc. This is a simplistic view of geopolitics that does not account for external dynamics, namely relentless Western pressure, the violation of Minsk agreements, of policies that would be described as ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide if the designated enemy were doing it, right on Russia’s border against ethnic Russians by fascist Banderites. And with the coinciding threat to join NATO, it is absurd to entertain the pretense that this is just some Russia revanchist compulsion. It requires a deliberate ignorance of history.
I’m not sure why you chose 30 years, though. That coincides with the dismantling of the USSR, where Ukraine was sold off for parts and turned into the poorest country in Europe by Western capitalist powers. I’d think that runs contrary to your point.
Sorry I’m off work now so won’t waste my free time to reply to that. Bottom line is: I believe you’re repeating russian propaganda and since I’ve actually spoken to other Russians and even Ukranians affected by the war, and since I believe actions speak louder than words (Georgia, Transnistria, Chechnya, Ukraine, etc), I don’t believe a word you’re saying.
The funny part is how obvious your lies are. Unless you think all the death and destruction in Ukraine is not actually that but just western propaganda… Which you probably do, based on your post history.
Tldr: lol, tankie!
There is a lot of death and destruction in Ukraine. I’m not sure why you’d think my position is anything else.
Perhaps you could ask questions instead?
Because you claimed that russia can wage brutal wars but they haven’t so far, that they have showed restraint. And all the videos of hospitals and schools and residential buildings and Bucha, etc. Prove otherwise.
And no need to ask questions because I already know all the answers, I’ve read putin’s version of the history, I don’t need to hear it from you as well.
The Western narrative on Bucha is fraught and reeka of propaganda. This is not to excuse Russia of the horrors of war, which are great, nor its overall system of governance. But there is a lot to look at more closely when it comes to Bucha.
What I would highlight is that Bucha’s civilian infrastructure is intact. You cannot say this for the targets of US empire that have been bombed, historically. There is a qualitative difference in what is destroyed. It strains the heart to see what happens when the alleged “Good Guys” enter a country. The mass death. The dead children. The infants. Death of malnutrition because there is little food. Death from preventable disease because there is no clean water. The children must drink from puddles. The parents gathering water from the least dangerous-seeming source, knowing it is not safe, but having no other option. This is daily life when you are targeted for death by NATO countries. A child dies every minute in Yemen. Every minute. A Western-backed blockade prevents the import of food. The friends of US Empire, the Saudis, waged a war against Yemen, with full and necessary US logistics and intelligence support. The people there suffer under maximum pressure by Western and Western-aligned powers. And they still persist, struggling, finding the means to have solidarity with the people of Gaza.
This is not the situation Ukrainians face. They live under far less depraved pressure. While war is horrific, there are degrees. There are depths to which some sink and others do not.
It is best to oppose the escalation of affairs to make such conditions more likely, or even inevitable, for the people of Ukraine.
Yeah, but what about what the US did somewhere else?! Yeah, that’s also bad, never said it wasn’t. Two wrong don’t make a right. And you saying it could’ve been worse is disgusting. Doesn’t change the facts. Also, ofc the infrastructure was less affected in a pretty much defenseless town raped and slaughtered by russians than in other places where there was actual combat. At least try and think for yourself, c’mon.
What the US does is worse, and it likely does it with the consent and material support of the country you live in.
But that isn’t the point I’m making. It’s that maximum pressure increases the likelihood of an unrestrained, Western-style strategy. Why would anyone want that for the people of Ukraine? You’re not a cold-hearted psychopath in the US State Department. You don’t want that, I wager. I think you’re looking for a fair outcome and are outraged by the unfairness and horror you see before you.
Bucha still exists and has people living in it, by the way. They have endured war, but the language you’re using makes me think you are under the impression that their intact infrastructure doesn’t matter because they are all “raped” or dead. I will tell you that it does matter. It is why they can live less horrible lives.
Well, yeah, if you’re the sort of person that thinks bucha was not that big of a deal because there’s people living there now, then you also believe that the us decides what happens in ukraine and it’s why those people are fighting. They’re us slaves dying for western imperialism. Ofc if we were arguing that, yeah I’d want the us to let the ukranians surrender and allow russia to regroup so they can find another reason a few years later to come back as they’ve been doing for the past 30 years.
It means that life is viable there. And, in actuality, there is clean water and electricity. This is not afforded to targets of US Empire. They get worse. And this is tacitly accepted, and likely with your country’s support, even while stories are told about Bucha.
I honestly don’t know what this means. Who are “those people”? I can’t respond to this. I don’t blame you, communication is a two way street, but I don’t know what you mean.
Ukrainians are entire people like any other. They are not simply slaves, though many are conscripted against their will. They are provided minimal training and sent to the front lines. There are men kidnapped and forced into conscription while their families and partners wail. Maybe this is what you are referring to?
Anyways, you are describing Russia as an inevitable revanchist. This discredits the history of Ukraine, of the regional battle that resulted in Euromaidan and the loss of Ukrainian sovereignty, why Crimea was annexed, etc. This is a simplistic view of geopolitics that does not account for external dynamics, namely relentless Western pressure, the violation of Minsk agreements, of policies that would be described as ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide if the designated enemy were doing it, right on Russia’s border against ethnic Russians by fascist Banderites. And with the coinciding threat to join NATO, it is absurd to entertain the pretense that this is just some Russia revanchist compulsion. It requires a deliberate ignorance of history.
I’m not sure why you chose 30 years, though. That coincides with the dismantling of the USSR, where Ukraine was sold off for parts and turned into the poorest country in Europe by Western capitalist powers. I’d think that runs contrary to your point.
Sorry I’m off work now so won’t waste my free time to reply to that. Bottom line is: I believe you’re repeating russian propaganda and since I’ve actually spoken to other Russians and even Ukranians affected by the war, and since I believe actions speak louder than words (Georgia, Transnistria, Chechnya, Ukraine, etc), I don’t believe a word you’re saying.
You believe your history, I’ll believe mine.