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Mozilla, the maker of the popular web browser Firefox, said it received government demands to block add-ons that circumvent censorship.
The Mozilla Foundation, the entity behind the web browser Firefox, is blocking various censorship circumvention add-ons for its browser, including ones specifically to help those in Russia bypass state censorship. The add-ons were blocked at the request of Russia’s federal censorship agency, Roskomnadzor — the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology, and Mass Media — according to a statement by Mozilla to The Intercept.
“Following recent regulatory changes in Russia, we received persistent requests from Roskomnadzor demanding that five add-ons be removed from the Mozilla add-on store,” a Mozilla spokesperson told The Intercept in response to a request for comment. “After careful consideration, we’ve temporarily restricted their availability within Russia. Recognizing the implications of these actions, we are closely evaluating our next steps while keeping in mind our local community.”
“It’s a kind of unpleasant surprise because we thought the values of this corporation were very clear in terms of access to information.”
Stanislav Shakirov, the chief technical officer of Roskomsvoboda, a Russian open internet group, said he hoped it was a rash decision by Mozilla that will be more carefully examined.
“It’s a kind of unpleasant surprise because we thought the values of this corporation were very clear in terms of access to information, and its policy was somewhat different,” Shakirov said. “And due to these values, it should not be so simple to comply with state censors and fulfill the requirements of laws that have little to do with common sense.”
Developers of digital tools designed to get around censorship began noticing recently that their Firefox add-ons were no longer available in Russia.
On June 8, the developer of Censor Tracker, an add-on for bypassing internet censorship restrictions in Russia and other former Soviet countries, made a post on the Mozilla Foundation’s discussion forums saying that their extension was unavailable to users in Russia.
The developer of another add-on, Runet Censorship Bypass, which is specifically designed to bypass Roskomnadzor censorship, posted in the thread that their extension was also blocked. The developer said they did not receive any notification from Mozilla regarding the block.
Two VPN add-ons, Planet VPN and FastProxy — the latter explicitly designed for Russian users to bypass Russian censorship — are also blocked. VPNs, or virtual private networks, are designed to obscure internet users’ locations by routing users’ traffic through servers in other countries.
The Intercept verified that all four add-ons are blocked in Russia. If the webpage for the add-on is accessed from a Russian IP address, the Mozilla add-on page displays a message: “The page you tried to access is not available in your region.” If the add-on is accessed with an IP address outside of Russia, the add-on page loads successfully.
Supervision of Communications
Roskomnadzor is responsible for “control and supervision in telecommunications, information technology, and mass communications,” according to the Russia’s federal censorship agency’s English-language page.
In March, the New York Times reported that Roskomnadzor was increasing its operations to restrict access to censorship circumvention technologies such as VPNs. In 2018, there were multiple user reports that Roskomnadzor had blocked access to the entire Firefox Add-on Store.
According to Mozilla’s Pledge for a Healthy Internet, the Mozilla Foundation is “committed to an internet that includes all the peoples of the earth — where a person’s demographic characteristics do not determine their online access, opportunities, or quality of experience.” Mozilla’s second principle in their manifesto says, “The internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible.”
The Mozilla Foundation, which in tandem with its for-profit arm Mozilla Corporation releases Firefox, also operates its own VPN service, Mozilla VPN. However, it is only available in 33 countries, a list that doesn’t include Russia.
The same four censorship circumvention add-ons also appear to be available for other web browsers without being blocked by the browsers’ web stores. Censor Tracker, for instance, remains available for the Google Chrome web browser, and the Chrome Web Store page for the add-on works from Russian IP addresses. The same holds for Runet Censorship Bypass, VPN Planet, and FastProxy.
“In general, it’s hard to recall anyone else who has done something similar lately,” said Shakirov, the Russian open internet advocate. “For the last few months, Roskomnadzor (after the adoption of the law in Russia that prohibits the promotion of tools for bypassing blockings) has been sending such complaints about content to everyone.”
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LOL
“switch to Firefox!” Yeah sure. What absolutely typical corporate cowards. Fuck Mozilla.
I’m not convinced this is “Fuck Mozilla” territory.
I’m genuinely curious why? I may have worded it strongly, but as a Russian, there are very few things as unethical to me as cooperation of any kind with the Russian government.
Would you be happier if they ignored the demands and possibly got Firefox banned in Russia? Because if so, it’s not that we disagree over our views of the Russian government. Probably neither do Mozilla.
We have different priorities. I want the average Russian to be easily able to install Firefox, even if it takes more work to load some extensions. You seem to want to cut off your nose to spite your face.
I’m genuinely curious why.
Would you be happier if they ignored the demands and possibly got Firefox banned in Russia?
Yes, having a web browser banned is absurd and impossible to do in practice, it would be largely inconsequential overall, before you even consider the thousands of forks of Firefox.
Taking down extensions makes them much much harder to get because they are relatively obscure and are usually hosted in one place only - on the extension store, unless you’re lucky and they have a binary on a GitHub.
I want the average Russian to be easily able to use Firefox, even if it takes more work to load some extensions.
I want the average Russian to be easily able to bypass censorship that blocks out truth in favor of misinformation of their government that gets people onboard with a war that’s killed tens of thousands.
What browser they use to do that I care much less about, not that they’ll be able to block Firefox or it’s thousands of forks from every page that hosts builds, installers or even OS ISOs with package on disc, but whatever one they have the extensions need to be available on the store - otherwise they can be extremely hard to find.
I think we simply disagree about the effect of taking down an extension vs “blocking” a browser may be.
I stand corrected, I see your argument about the comparative difficulty and effect of banning a browser vs an extension. The discoverability of the extension alone is a big point.
Not sure I agree with how you seemingly downplay the damage banning the browser could cause and fail to consider consider other ways people could organize to distribute extensions (even as you mention various ways to get Firefox, I’m a bit confused on this one). Others have already talked about this in the thread, so I won’t repeat it here.
With all that said, it seems we were both fools. Mozilla has returned the extensions already. It was neither about protecting Firefox in Russia, nor a case of “Fuck Mozilla.”
Contributing to Russian oppression and fascist agenda.
“Following recent regulatory changes in Russia, we received persistent requests from Roskomnadzor demanding that five add-ons be removed from the Mozilla add-on store,” a Mozilla spokesperson told The Intercept in response to a request for comment. “After careful consideration, we’ve temporarily restricted their availability within Russia. Recognizing the implications of these actions, we are closely evaluating our next steps while keeping in mind our local community.”
People are getting upset about this, but it only applies within the country where Roskomnadzor has authority, and it’s temporary pending further review.
Slow down your condemnations. Mozilla, as a law-abiding organization, must at least acknowledge the requests of a regulatory agency within its own country. Whether you agree with their requests or not, Roskomnadzor has governmental authority in this context within Russia.
Stop jumping to conclusions, actually read the article, and put the fucking pitchforks away.
People are getting upset about this, but it only applies within the country where Roskomnadzor has authority, and it’s temporary pending further review.
Which means that now, for example, Republicans can file to have any extension that “provides or facilitates woke content”. To put forth one (1) such case.
Idiot laws are idiot and must be fought at every point, in particular if you have more power than one (1) mere citizen. What Mozilla is doing is just announcing to the world they’re open to spreading their legs before the MAGAs.
Mozilla, as a law-abiding organization, must at least acknowledge the requests of a regulatory agency within its own country.
Insert Nick Fury “I recognize the council has made an ass-stupid decision”.
Whether you agree with their requests or not, Roskomnadzor has governmental authority in this context within Russia.
I think US First Amendment protections are much stronger than Russia’s equivalent.
True, but neither that nor anything else has stopped republicans and conservatives from pushing crap after crap until it slips in (or rather, is let slip in, given the Supreme Court the US has over there).
Pretty much same. Maybe even stronger on paper, since it’s second part of constitution(rights and freedoms), that can’t be changed like parts 3-8 as in 2018, not some amendment. Buuut constitution doesn’t work. As a lot of other laws.
Also the fact they didn’t tell anyone until people started asking questions… This isn’t a “good faith, temporary” action. It’s a “let’s hope no one notices us doing bad shit” action.
There is difference between complying and rushing to comply before it’s officially banned by court.
I supposed that as long as Mozilla just stopped distributing those add-ons rather than block them (i.e. they can still be side-loaded) it’s complying just about as much as they have to.
Even better if they keep the listings in the Mozilla add-on store but for Russian IPs do not allow downloads and instead have some text explaining why they were forced to not distribute those add-ons in Russia.
Depending on the legality of the whole situation they might have held of from doing anything until there was a proper Court Order from a Russian Court but that’s about it.
Ultimatelly Mozilla as a whole being blocked in Russia wouldn’t be any better than Mozila not distributing those add-ons themselves in Russia anymore, since the result when it comes to people being able to use those add-ons would be the same.
Given it’s size in the browser market I don’t think that Mozilla not being available in Russia anymore would trigger the kind of pushback against Roskomnadzor in Russia that we many seem to hope it would and absent that there were really no good options here.
Mozilla, as a law-abiding organization, must at least acknowledge the requests of a regulatory agency within its own country.
TIL that Mozilla is a Russian company.
But seriously why the hell would Mozilla be obliged to acknowledge this request? Do they have offices in Russia?
why the hell would Mozilla be obliged to acknowledge this request?
That’s what I’ve been scratching my head about too. What leverage does Russia have to force them to do this? What consequences could they impose for non-compliance?
Does Mozilla own property in Russia? Sell it or write it off, then ignore the censorship request.
Do they have employees who live or have family in Russia? Either fire them or help them move, then ignore the censorship request.
None of the above? Perhaps it is we who need to fire Mozilla then.
But seriously why the hell would Mozilla be obliged to acknowledge this request? Do they have offices in Russia?
Roskomnadzor has regulartory authority in Russia. Roskomnadzor has the legal authority to regulate communications technology within Russia. They are completely within their rights to enforce this within Russia, regardless of what people living in other countries think about it, and organizations operating within Russia are legally bound to abide by the Russian government’s regulations within Russia, just as they are in every other country.
Sure, and they can regulate it by blocking access to Mozilla. That’d be within their authority.
That doesn’t mean Mozilla has to answer to them. Mozilla would be within their rights to ignore Roskomnador.
Whether they should is another matter but they don’t have to respond.
If Russia blocks security updates, that’s worse for Russian users than having to go to GitHub to install a plugin.
They still have to go through court. Mozilla is proactive here.
Do they have offices in Russia?
Are you implying that if my office isn’t in a certain country, that means my software doesn’t have to obey that country’s regulatory agencies?
I mean… yes? Generally laws only apply within the borders of their jurisdiction.
What, are the Russian police going to come to the US and arrest the CEO of Mozilla Corporation?
What, are the Russian police going to come to the US and arrest the CEO of Mozilla Corporation?
Not hard to predict that Russia would block Firefox downloads where possible from the Russian Internet. Did you really not consider that?
The laws of a country apply to the activity of a company that is operating within that country, regardless of what that company considers its home country.
operating within that country,
That’s kind of an important detail there… as far as I know Mozilla does not operate within Russia.
Do they distribute a Russian version of their software to Russian citizens?
Does it matter, unless there’s an agreement that says the US (or some other place where Mozilla actually operates) will enforce Russian law?
That’s kind of the Russian law, yes. Russians can even hack people and steal all their data and money as long as they’re not Russians or in Russia. It’s a legit business model over there.
TIL it’s better to withdraw Firefox from Russia completely than to comply with their shitty regulators
Withdraw like Durov withdrawed telegram. He did withdraw, right? Right?
Also it seems they blocked addons before court decision.
I’m referring to Firefox being banned which they obviously would be. Since they would be choosing to be banned I said withdraw because I mistakenly thought people could figure out obvious consequences
Banned though legal system or banned because rkn can? If first, then Mozilla should not have done anything before court decision. If second, then Mozilla should not have done anything because it made easier for rkn to ban them.
I don’t pretend to know how the Russians do shit internally but we do know for sure they will censor things they want to if at all possible. The means to do it aren’t all that important because they will find a way.
If Mozilla refused to comply, Russia would block Firefox from their Internet, thereby completing the monopoly status of chrome in Russia which is bad for a lot of reasons.
You can pretend to understand everything and that principles are more important than reality if you want though.
Imo yes it would, because then it wouldn’t be hidden censorship, it would be noticeable to even the average joe and ways around it would become more widespread.
No browser should be censoring any content, if a country wants to block something they should be forced to do it themselves, which would be more visible to the public.
People like you don’t care about unintended consequences. You don’t even consider that they could exist
The browser doesn’t censor anything.
Thanks for the reminder.
LOL. It’s quite easy to sideload Firefox add-ons and I’m pretty sure these add-ons are already available elsewhere, through IPFS, Tor, or even a Telegram bot.
That might not be so easy for random schlubs who don’t even know how folders work.
Remember when China told Google to censor web search results and Google said, “No. How about we show those search results with notes that they were censored and why since the sites will be blocked anyway?”, and China was like, “You can’t show them at all.”, and Google said, “Fuck you. We’d rather lose access to the Chinese market than violate our principles.”, and instantly shut down any service in China that would require censorship or disclosing private data and closed all Chinese offices working on any of those technologies?
What a time we’re living in.
It is a good stand from google but…
In the end it was all censored, since google wasn’t even there anymore, and China was left with a huge market opportunity for their own internal companies to serve their internal market instead of a foreign company. The Chinese people ended up worse off, Google ended up worse off, Chinese censorship won, Chinese tech companies won.
So still sucks either way. With firefox not being banned Russians can still load up the extensions, just have to get them from other sources.
🙋♂️ I have a question.
My pitchfork is meant for Roskomnadzor, not Mozilla. Do I still have to put it away?
Hmm, they’re a government agency similar to the FCC in the US. Leadership is probably staffed with Putin loyalists, but most of the employees are probably just people doing their jobs.
So… I guess as long as you’re careful with where you point the pitchfork?
So they only block the addons where they are needed, oh and they also only block them temprary, while they are needed?
Yeah, great!
Wooo…
They don’t block them. They stopped distributing them in Russia.
They are not disabling installed addons and you can always install addons from a file in Firefox.
Yes it will be more difficult to install and more risky to get a tampered version of the extension but if they did not comply the same problems would exist and extend to the actual browser.
Disgusted (mostly at the Russian government), but not surprised. There was no good option for Mozilla to take with respect to this—it was either block these add-ons in Russia, or have the entire browser blocked in Russia, and I’m not sure which would do the most harm in the end.
They could have waited untill court decides to block. They are being proactive here.
But enraged commenters without any idea how shit works don’t agree. So there! /s
Welcome to the lowest common denominator.
It’s an infuriating world.
It sure is. The less these fucks know, the more convinced they are that it’s cut and dried and that they know everything
I think k long game would have been to stick to their values and have it blocked in Russia. Would be good press for them and people in Russia frankly need to get more pissed off. Maybe this would help a little.
Russia would just go ahead and ban Firefox while saying things like “Firefox is US spyware”.
I hope their values are not “get some good press”.
Firefox being banned (or even chrome) won’t change the outlook of Russians more than… fighting a friggin war (and doing badly).
You can still get the plugins via other means (getting them from somebody who already had them, getting a non flagged vpn to access the store).
In this context it’s better for Firefox not to be the illegal unpatriotic software.
Just gonna drop this here.
Do I want Waterfox or LibreWolf?
Neither, as they rely on Firefox. Waterfox, while decent, does raise an eyebrow as it was bought out by an ad company. LibreWolf is only good as long as the underlying Firefox code it’s built on stays as pliable as it is.
And before you ask, I dont actually recommend any browser. They’re ALL shit. And I quite literally mean ALL.
So then what are you recommending to connect to the internet? curl? wget? netcat?
Librewolf. Don’t listen to this moron
Communication from Roskomnadzor should be censored straight to/dev/null.
I hope the devs can tweak a few minor things here and there while leaving the most useful functions alone, change the name, slap a new logo on it and be back in business.
But I know nothing about how the censorship and the add-ons to circumvent it work and odds are it won’t be that easy.
But I know nothing about how the censorship and the add-ons to circumvent it work and odds are it won’t be that easy.
Change of name should be enough for legal system.
Thank you for letting me know that :)
Wait, they complied to Roscomnadzor? This is so stupid. It’s literal Big Brother.
Долбоёбы.
“In general, it’s hard to recall anyone else who has done something similar lately,” said Shakirov, the Russian open internet advocate. “For the last few months, Roskomnadzor (after the adoption of the law in Russia that prohibits the promotion of tools for bypassing blockings) has been sending such complaints about content to everyone.”
Wait. Are they first to comply?
Dammit, Firefox! You was the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the anti-privacy, not join them! You were to bring security to the internet, not leave it in neo-naZi’s propaganda.
They were never really the chosen ones, just the most well known GECKO browser.
It was clear what has happened since XULRunner and alternative Gecko browsers became unwanted.
Like now WebKit is sometimes the basis for alternative browsers for people who need something patient and usable. Or QtWebEngine, but that’s Chromium.
Before they did this, Gecko was the one to be picked the most for such usage.
Maybe if all tech companies told Russia and China to fuck off, they’d all get banned in those two countries, further isolating their citizenry, in hope that those citizens would eventually get fed up and say enough is enough, through whatever means necessary.
I’m sure plenty of Russians and Chinese put up with their governments, but are they willing to become North Koreas?
Not likely from what I’ve read the majority of russians don’t have flushing toilets. So the internet is probably a few notches down on the whole basic needs thing.
Why? Do they have employees that live there?
Probably, or employees’ families maybe?
“That’s a nice little nephew you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to him “.
Chrome ? Is that you ? Never thought my complete views on chrome would change in an instant .
Imagine being to wishy washy that you can’t even read the article before doing a 180 on your principles.
I did read it and from what I can tell google isn’t bending over like mozzila . I didn’t sell my soul to Mozilla so I don’t have to find a way to justify their Evert shitty behavior like you . I liked them and supported them because they had a vision that aligned with mine and Chrome’s was shitty, but now that they have turned shitty I have no issue calling them out for it unlike fangirls like you .
The thing is, you dont have to sell your soul to Mozilla, with Google on the other hand …
Well I don’t use any Google apps and don’t have a google account but credit where credit is due .
welp time to browser hop soon
Unfortunately there are no other options. Literally everything else is Chromium based and ruined by Manifest v3.
They can either lose the Russian market entirely or capitulate to this demand, I think it’s pretty obvious what they’re going to choose. Mozilla may be an NPO but it still needs revenue to survive.
Besides, it’s open source. Anyone can pull it down and compile it without the fuckery, or download a binary from another source, or use a package manager that presumably would have a normal version for that distro.
Yeah, and you can install extensions even if they’re not on Mozilla’s addon store.
That is really pathetic…
