I wonder if in hindsight, she feels like she’s made the right decision…
The other side of the story meets its inevitable conclusion too.
Least the bear only killed her. /s
Oh it’s this stupid meme again
I don’t get it
There was a video (or videos?) asking whether women would rather meet a bear while alone in the woods or a strange man and a lot of women in the video said the bear. The point was to illustrate how women feel unsafe around strange men because even if they don’t try to physically assault them, many of them expect sexual gratification as a transaction for helping them and get abusive when that doesn’t happen.
But then a bunch of people didn’t get it, and a few loud ones just hate women and turned it into a debate that it wasn’t ever meant to be.
I highly doubt it was the first fatal bear attack in California
Other sources I’ve found specify that it was the first fatal black bear attack, and that it happened before the man vs bear debate XD
Given that Grizzlies are extinct in California, yeah.
What about Brown Bears though?
I think brown bears and grizzlies are the same. If I remember right, they just live in different places.
They are. Both are Ursus arctos which is a funny name because it’s just bear bear, once in Latin and one in Greek.
Yeah grizzlies extinct in CA? That doesn’t sound right.
Would you rather encounter a black bear or a… nevermind.
Versus how many fatal man attacks? Not even gonna look it up 🤷
Dunno how this is conclusiv- ohhhh right, confirmation bias. Forgot about that. grumbles noisily
Well, if we’re going to be pedantic, then this is not a valid comparison to make because it ignores the number of total encounters with bears and men, and the time spent with each.
If we want to get really pedantic we have to look at stats specifically for cases where a woman was in the woods, with no other entity besides a man or a bear. With it conveniently being impossible to compile that information, I’d bet the ratio of assaults per encounter would be higher with the men than the bears.
Absolutely depends on proximity, and probably how close we are to (bear) mating season. And type of bear, for that matter. If we’re including all men with no restrictions, it’s only fair to include all bears too, right?
Lol, did anyone say we were limiting to a certain type of bear? Is there some specific species you think will really turn the tide statistically?
Polar bears will in fact just kill you and eat you. Grizzlies, very likely to be territorial. Black bears are the most “cowardly”, but all three will fuck you up to protect their young, hence why the season matters.
I haven’t exactly done the math on relative bear populations to tell you if your odds are better with a random bear or a random man, but it doesn’t matter, you wouldn’t consider any of my statements valid even if I wrote a whole ass thesis.
Black bears are the most “cowardly”, but all three will fuck you up to protect their young
Eh, not really… Black bear cubs are quite capable of climbing trees, the mother will definitely make her displeasure known to you, but it’s mainly for show.
Source: I once unwittingly startled a mama black bear and her cubs, ended up falling flat on my back so I was quite vulnerable, she could have easily torn me apart if she wanted to, but she just charged at me, stopped about 6 feet away grumbling, stomped the ground, and clacked her teeth at me. The cubs were up their trees faster than squirrels.
Think the spirit of my comments may not be making it through - I’m not seriously making a statistical argument, was just responding to the other commenter saying let’s get pedantic.
Ultimately, women feel how they feel, and if they say they’d rather be stuck in the woods with a bear than a man, there’s no sense in arguing with them.
What would success there look like, you convince a woman “no, you’re not concerned about the intentions of strange men in the woods”?
If a woman says “I’d rather be stuck in the woods with a bear” we should receive that as information. That’s telling us that many women have serious concerns about their safety with men. And instead of telling them “no you’re wrong for feeling how you feel” a better response could be “sorry you’ve had bad experiences” or even just saying nothing.
It’s saying that and it’s saying they have no concept of the dangers of wildlife. But everyone takes addressing the latter as ignoring the former, when they’re two separate conversations only combined by the dumb analogy.
Weird how no one asks what the woman was wearing.
Looking back, the bacon suit might have been a mistake.
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I think what bothered most men wasn’t that he was large, but that a woman would feel safer with any gay man that was with them.
As a sasquatch, I’d feel safer around a gay man
I’m going to need to know what kind of sanguine you are.
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I’m the sanguine kind of sanguine
I’m bi and only chubby… Where do I fall in this?
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I do like being punched in the face…
I mean, as a dude, I damn sure would feel safest around lesbians if I was worried about that.
Idk what like the girl animal “equivalent” of a bear would be, except one that I am not quite sure if it is offensive or not.
Fucking queer is super accepted now, but then I watch my daughter, who has dated women before, and is not shy or ashamed, and I do believe is still fine with doing so in the future, call her brother or someone on YouTube gay as an insult.
The current “equivalent” I’ve seen is would you rather share your emotions with a tree or a woman.
Tree, but I have anxiety issues and trees don’t trigger them
A tree. Inanimate objects are good listeners.
A tree isn’t going to use those emotions you shared when your were feeling down against you when she gets mad that you forgot to unload the dishwasher two months later 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, but do you know how dangerous a tree is? It will eat you alive without mercy
Nonono, we had this discussion about the snake yesterday: the tree kills you by dropping a limb on you long before it eats you.
Exceptional woman over average tree. Average tree over average woman. Exceptional tree? Not sure.
I’m bi and call stuff I don’t like ‘gay’ all the time. I also call stuff I like ‘gay’. I don’t think that the use of a term by those it applies to can really be negative as its more of an empowerment thing abt takibg the word back for the community. It’s like getting mad at people that call each other the n-word (especially if you aren’t black yourself).
That’s because it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point.
People who didn’t get it and people who did get it but didn’t like it (i.e. misogynists) turned it into a debate. The latter also proved that point with the large number of rape and death threats.
Yeah, god forbid people get angry when others make sexist remarks! They must be real misogynists for not liking sexism!
If you replaced the “man” with “black man” or “black person”, or if someone said this with immigrants, it wouldn’t need to be explained to you or anyone why this is a pretty fucked up thing to say, but for some reason when it’s just “man” it’s okay and anyone who disagrees is a misogynist, according to you. If I made a general frustrated remark about women, plenty of people would take issue with it, and I don’t think you’d would be saying “it wasn’t meant to be a debate, it was meant to illustrate a point”, would you?
How about just stop using sexist rhetoric? There are a lot of people on your side who would agree with you if you just dropped the needlessly sexist and divisive rhetoric.
And before you get there - and if not you then I’m sure someone will think of saying it - yes, it’s true that the world and system we live in isn’t as hostile to men as women, but progressive spaces definitely tend to be the opposite. And believe it or not, that actually has an effect with pushing younger men into the arms of the alt right; you can insult them and just call them fascists if you like, but that doesn’t change the reality that young hormonal men going into progressive spaces and seeing this kind of rhetoric will feel excluded, pushed out, and like the world is against them.
See above re: people didn’t get it.
By the way, what is “my side” and what would they agree with me about?
Gr8 argument m8!
Should be pretty clear if you actually bothered to read it, but I’ll spell it out for you: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E-S; and overall people who acknowledge the experiences of women that this is supposed to highlight. And I am also on that side, I just think you’re doing an absolute shit job of it, being needlessly discriminating, and creating division - as I already explained.
Okay, how would you illustrate this that wouldn’t cause a huge amount of controversy and misogyny?
By just highlighting the experiences of women in the society we live in, and all the sexual violence they fall victims to, and how much violence is specifically directed at women - without resorting to cheap inflammatory “memes” (*). And as another way to a solution, we can also just try to be and create good role models for young men.
(*)And saying that has actually reminded me, that’s usually exactly how the far right likes to act and spread their message too: inflammatory rhetoric that can make a catchy sound bite that will reach a lot of people, but which has no real depth to it. I’d rather not those tactics and actually try having real conversations.
You should look into the origin of the word meme. It’s not terribly old and you clearly don’t understand it. You’ve also gone and thrown away your benefit of the doubt by arguing semantics on what’s clearly meant to be a lighthearted and hyperbolic comparison. Propping up random ideas and putting them, as words, in someone else’s mouth is dumb as hell. Pretty sure there’s hundreds of places online where you can argue with other people who don’t know the difference between socratic and aristotelean logic.
You think that doesn’t result in threats of violence and rape too? Really?
I bet the bear didn’t rape her first
Bear, cat calling from behind a rock,‘’ Let me get in them guts guh’’
Or sold her into prostitution for years first.
Oh god not again
The memes will continue until morale improves
Why you had to bring this up again??? Whyyyy you had to make me remember that was a thing? 😭😭
The memes will continue until morale improves
Statistically insignificant compared to how many women are killed yearly by men.
p.s. it’s just a fact, but I’m sorry for her and if this has anything to do with the man-bear thing it’s a silly way to die.
That’s not how statistics work. You’d need to compare the rate of encounters between women and bears vs women and men.
That’s a fun central underpinning of the “man vs bear” thing: a lot of people are really really stupid. If 3 women a year encounter bears, and one of them gets mauled, and 3 million women a year encounter men, and two of them get raped, some idiots will claim that men are more dangerous than bears.
Let’s be real though. If 3 million women a year encountered men and only 2 got raped, we’d never have come up with the man-vs.-bear scenario in the first place.
Depends on how much fearmongering the media does. Satanic Panic was a thing, remember.
Most of the “fearmongering” is actually women talking about their experiences.
When media fearmongers Rape, it’s mostly by informing the public about rapists being sentenced to very light sentences, or rapists facing no jail time, or violent rapists being released.
Either that or they outright victim blame and discuss what someone was wearing, where they were, who they were with etc, basically inferring that if she was safely at home under a man’s protection, it wouldn’t be possible for her to be raped - so look at all the safety she threw away to be reckless (outside without a male partner) and have fun (literally existing while being a
womanwalking sex organ waiting to be claimed).Most of the “fearmongering” is actually women talking about their experiences.
Most of the “fearmongering” isn’t happening because we were talking about a hypothetical situation where only two women were raped. Fuck you for implying that I don’t think rape is a real thing that happens.
The fact is that it’s hard to get the actual statistic. To truly make the comparison 1-to-1, we need to count how often they are alone in the woods with a bear and how often they are alone with a man. My two cents: if you have been comping enough in bear country then you know that bears are kinda always around and they just don’t bother anyone.
Well, see if you can find the bear mauling rate. The rape rate in the US was 40 per 100k. Or to line up with your number, 1,200 per 3 million.
Or, even better, you could comprehend that that’s not the point at all.
Also insignificant to the amount of women killed by other women, or the amount of women that fall down the stairs and break their neck. It being a single death from a bear attack with bear encounters being rare in the first place makes this compariosn meaningless.
