I noped the hell out of Spotify when I found out it was hosting the Joe Rogan podcast. It’s only enshittified even more since. And now this.
I stopped using Spotify years ago and every time I hear about it I only get my decision further reinforced. What an absolutely cancerous company.
I’d prefer it if they fixed the app so it doesn’t play random shit and subscriptions and notifications actually work.
Did a Google engineer make his way to Spotify
How has nobody used to mention that this ALREADY used to be a feature they had before they killed it. I remember in high school me and the girl I was dating used to send eachother playlists. I didn’t even know spotify had killed the feature until I went looking for one of those playlists in my inbox that used to be there.
Soon: reels, shorts, videos and second hand underwear.
They’ve had the first 3 for a while
which I hate… especially the “shorts”…
tween daughter has adhd, easily falls into tiktok brainrot hellholes. Has trouble with self-regulation and self-control… I still want her to have music to listen to and do things (some lofi to study/chill to, etc)… but now, Spotify is yet another vector for distraction that consumes her.
People be like “parent’s should take responsibility for their kids”… I’m like “mf, I’m trying, but every app in the world is trying to be social media” And the parental controls they offer are shiiiiiiiit. Because it’s not in a companies best interest to provide parents with tools to limit features.
There are plenty of music services that aren’t trying to do that.
At that point I’d just say “we’re not going to use Spotify any more” and switch to something else.
Such as?
I’ll start: Tidal, SoundCloud, Deezer (has ties to Russian oligarchs so gotta be careful)
What the hell!
I was just kidding/projecting on a shitty future…
And Stories. Don’t forget stories
Bring back the ruthless top 8 friends.
I just had my 8 variations of parodied Jesus.
Nope. AI chatbots. Can’t have chatbots without messaging.
The post I was on 5 seconds ago was about imugur and how people where confused when they added posts and comments to the image hosting site. Everyone wants a poece of the social media pie…but we need the infrastructure, the websites that host stuff and do it free and efficiently.
…the websites that host stuff and do it free and efficiently.
It’s never free. The instance you’re using isn’t free; it’s paid for by donations. ISPs and server hosts don’t just give bandwidth out of charity or for the public good. One way or another, these for-profit companies are getting their pound of flesh, typically by selling targeted ad space.
The fact that these companies are adding chat features means they’re now going to try mining conversations for additional consumer profile data points, which they can then sell to advertisers.
This new change is gross, and I hope nobody uses it.
Which they can sell to
advertisersLLM and AI companies.It’s not talked about too much, because it is not in the best interest of the stockholders. But AI as it was popularized by openAI and both images and text generators already reached a boundary of data availability. There’s no more human made data. They are now resorting to synthetic data, which is to make one first generation LLM model create tons of data to train newer or more tailored weighs models. With the issue that this new models develop problems from inbreeding of the data. Training models on other genAI products poisons the models and corrupts their generative power in just a few generations. This is why genAI images are increasingly turning yellow, the same reason newer models are more fragile and hallucinate or go psychotic more easily than old models. So, the AI companies need new sources of human made data to mix in with the synthetic data.
The main problem is that we ran out, there’s no more data made by humans to train AI with. Humans don’t create new data fast enough to train all the new models with the new doodads and features the AI companies want to sell. So now these companies will pay anything just to get their hands on new fresh stuff. These is why any app in the planet will now pivot to do anything they can to get chats going. It’s a new source of data to sell to data brokers.
Barf. I try hard not to think about it, since it’s shoved in our faces at every turn, but you’re absolutely right that our data is going to these AI corpos.
Imgur had the social media element since mid-2010s at least, maybe longer.
Yeah I’ll never forget the first time I saw someone just casually browsing IMGUR and I was like WTF are you doing?
Fuck Spotify. Pay better royalties
Let me just listen to music please…
I picked up some mp3 players with Bluetooth for about $7 each on aliexpress. Just finished acquiring my entire Spotify liked list. In my house, we’re getting back on the correct timeline.
I gotta ask - why not just play the music on your phone?
It’s 6 years old and the battery isn’t removable. Plus I can leave the mp3 synced to the speakers all day and not have to worry about calls or leaving the house interrupting it.
Ah, I see. I was for some reason only assuming portable use. Hope it’s working well for you!
Love that. How long did it take you?
In total, less than an hour of my time. Maybe 6 hours to copy the playlists and download all of them, but I only had to copy/paste and hit go on the software. Honestly, if I knew it was this easy I’d have do we it years ago.
Why
Tidal is much better anyway
Qobuz too. High-res audio, full CD booklets, metadata with full credits, pays the artists more, not run by Daniel Ek.
Just checked it out, looks good and pays out really well!
Does it have gapless playback? Spotify says it does but it rarely works.
Just did a couple of tests and Qobuz seems to play gaplessly on my phone.
Internet company invents a whole new way to receive unsolicited pictures of genitals
Zawinski’s law: Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot expand are replaced by ones which can.
This is just the modern equivalent: Intra-site messaging.
Recently ditched Spotify, and you should too.
what alternative did you end up going with?
I had a script to convert my main Spotify playlist (5000+ songs) to download from soulseek but…yeah that would take a VERY long time and I really didn’t feel like being a soulseek asshole going that route.
If there was something out there where I can take my spotify playlist and just convert it and use it on another/better platform I’d switch right now.
Always looking for new members who love music :)
I’ve been a happy Tidal user for years fwiw. The app is great as is music availability and discovery. I went back to Spotify for a while because I was missing its discovery features like discover weekly, but Tidal has greatly improved since then, and now features a daily discovery playlist (10 tracks, which I greatly prefer to Spotify’s weekly 30), plus 8 custom mixes based on genres you listen to. Track radio is also solid.
Also, it’s maybe the only subscription service that instead of creating new tiers, merged the two it had before into one, keeping the upper tier’s features at the lower one’s cost
Listenbrainz is the best for discovery no matter what platform. Its opensource last.fm
I wish there was a better way to scrobble from Tidal to Listenbrainz on Android. I know that the Listenbrainz app itself can read system notifications and get song info from them. But the fact that you need to give permission to it for all types of notifications is not an easy decision to make.
The last loop I’m trying to close is notifications for new releases from artists I subscribe to.
I found this, but it has no documentation so I haven’t tried it yet: https://github.com/provokateurin/musicbrainz-rss-generator
Edit: Nevermind, I somehow missed the Explore page in ListenBrainz that does this automatically (and has its own RSS feed).
Plus Tidal songs are easily downloadable in full FLAC quality for your personal archive.
Apple music. High bitrate and aptx on android. And they pay artists more than Spotify. I moved over a while ago but I used some website to transfer over all my music.
Edit: looks like apple music might have the ability to transfer your music built into it now?https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/26/apple-music-transfer-tool-6-more-countries/
+1 for Apple Music. I know, “boo Apple!” And all that, but it fits well within the Apple one subscription and they pay artists well. Sound quality is good, discovery is good, supported everywhere.
I switched to Qobuz. They use https://soundiiz.com/ to migrate, I think it was free transfering to them?
I think it reported a 90% success rate + a few that it picked, but got wrong. It mostly failed on my instrumental stuff, standard stuff was fine.
Another updoot for Qobuz. Very happy with it, and the migration process was even better for me than as you describe it. Also, I didn’t think I’d give a shit about it the higher-quality codecs but they’re actually amazing. Big fan, A+++, would Qobuz again.
Yeah the high res masterings are fantastic
+1 for Qobuz! Tidal firing 100 employees did not inspire confidence in their app being less shit
I still don’t understand why apps these sizes need that many people in the first place, what do they do!?!
Half of them definitely just making PowerPoints and attending meetings. You’d probably end up with 5 devs actually doing something and a marketing/advertisement department, I guess
I am very happy with my recent switch from Spotify to TIDAL
I am testing Deezer at the moment. To import playlists and songs, they advertise this 3rd party service, which worked for me.
The one owned by a Russian billionaire?
Wooooooot? How did I miss that during my research?
Access Industries is owned by Leonard Blavatnik and has a 41% stake in Deezer.
nope just tried it, desktop app doesn’t work on my distro, can’t delete the account now as the deletion method via the website doesn’t work.
Yeah, it doesn’t have a native Linux client.
I used something called spotDL, it grabs your music from youtube. I also had to get several thousand tracks, but it still found almost all of them. Didnt find maybe 50 out all those.
ah this was EXACTLY what I was looking for! thanks!
There used to be some programs that ripped directly from Spotify API. Did those all go the way of the dinosaur?
zotify
You, good sir, ma’am or other, are a scholar and a gentle human.
And they still don’t offer 2FA.