Patrick Breyer, a staunch defender of digital rights, laments the Pirate Party’s exit from the EU Parliament as a blow to online privacy.

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      I always expected us to never address our ecological destruction or climate change in any meaningful way, and instead devolve into some techno-feudalist, fascist dystopia before the civilisation collapses into a death spiral… But man… I’ve never wanted to be wrong more in my entire life.

      Watching the EU regress in unison, back down the auth path, is not how I expected it would go down.

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        Kinda alarmist tone.

        I always expected for the irrational opinion of people in many Western countries that they can get anything by voting for it to meet the hard cold reality, but it never was anything like “end of the world”.

        I’m hopeful. A certain kind of evil people have felt their power and are slowly becoming complacent, which means that the European societies will get a shot at getting rid of them, for the time being. And then there will be a dawn after this sunset.

        Though that “allowing the snake to raise its head” thing should be done carefully, so that you’d still be alive when the opportunity to crush that head arises.

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    There are more parties who defend internet privacy then just the pirate party. Won’t matter much tho with the current rightwing majority.

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        Technically… maybe. Here’s a calculator, EPP+ECR+ID+a chunk of the non-attached and non-assigned might make it over the 50% mark, and then there’s renew which has neoliberals in it.

        But that’s not coalition material as the EPP is not eurosceptic, also, that coalition would reach so far right that a good chunk of the EPP would definitely not be on board with it. The populists might also be opposed on reasons of preferring stoking anti-Brussels sentiment over surveillance, and there’s plenty of opportunity for rifts, like the RN saying “The AfD is in favour so we’re opposed”.

        Do note than in the EP factions have fuck all when it comes to faction discipline. There’s no whip, all there is is plenty of negotiating.

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      Is the incoming majority particularly anti-piracy? I thought they were more fixated on leaving the EU, gutting the “woke” public sector, and rounding up all the immigrants for deportation.

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        Just to make things clear, the pirate party isn’t directly related to piracy. There are ongoing efforts to render end-to-end encryption illegal in Europe as we speak. Dark times are coming

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          There are ongoing efforts to render end-to-end encryption illegal in Europe as we speak.

          I can’t imagine how you stop all end to end encryption across a continent while you’re exiting the continent-wide governing body.

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              They whom? Is every country going to have it’s own national firewall, complete with highly sophisticated SMS-only encryption detecting service?

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                The EU plans to do so and as such every member must follow it.

                And once encryption is criminalized, it can be trivially detected - or at least assumed to be encrypted if your message is sufficiently random.

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      They have been very active fighting the chat control proposals that keep coming, haven’t really seen others being so active about it besides them. This is really bad.

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    I was thinking the whole week if I should vote the greens or the pirates but due to the recurring campaigns to establish a surveillance state I did end up voting pirates. Incredibly disheartened they didn’t get a seat :(

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    What did the pirate party stand for? I heard of them before, but not much what they stand for other than digital privacy.

    I think this election was mainly focused on Migration, economy and green deal. Mainly why the right took over and the green and left lost. People are seeing the negative effect of migration more and more, and diplomats cannot hide it anymore.

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      Democracy. Real direct democracy, not the representative bullshit. But with the little influence we got, we can’t do much better than trying to protect digital privacy right now

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    I have voted PP since their conception, and I think we have them to thank for a lot. Will continue to do so, probably forever. I don’t understand how these issues don’t get more attention these days. Tech related privacy, anti monopoly, ai safety etc is just a part but they have excellent values in other areas as well.

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      I don’t understand how these issues don’t get more attention these days

      Who owns the media?

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          No, it’s not the Rothschilds or the Jews… keep looking for what it might be!

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              Rothschilds are diamonds and other crap,

              It’s the Australian Rupert Murdoch

              Although him and a Lord Rothschild have been involved in some fuckery with oil in Israel

              I think the correct answer is some billionaire

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                Yeah it could be the billionaire family that runs everything. Maybe it’s them.

                Or it could be something else like aliens I guess?

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                  No mate, there isn’t one billionaire family that runs everything. That’s way too simple. The problem is much larger. The question you have missed is what is above the Rothschilds?

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    I was considering voting for the pirate party, but they polled at less than 5% in France and it was not a useful vote, which was evidently needed.

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      I would have voted for the Pirate Party if there was a ballot for them.

      Didn’t print it beforehand so I couldn’t.

      Last time I printed my own ballot they just didn’t count it and my vote was considered invalid. Even though I had the exact size required by regulations…

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        Wait, am I missing something here? Are there countries where you don’t have all options on the ballot, or at least an empty space?

        Edit: Saw your explanation in another comment. Wouldn’t having to bring your own ballot also invalidate voting secrecy, since bringing your own indicates that you most likely intent to vote for an unlisted party (and, in reverse, anyone using the regular ballot voting for a party that’s listed)?

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          It affects secrecy a bit but you still have to take at least two different ballots into the voting booth. Obviously you are bringing your own ballot and taking one already printed so it’s not really a secret.

          Also there was taped garbage bags in the voting booth so that people can throw away their discarded ballots but that’s also a great way to show what every else has been voting before me…

          I still think our voting system is quite ok but there are definitely flaws.

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          Concerning your edit, not sure about other countries, but I can speak about the process in France.

          We get (normally) ballots with the programs in the mail before the elections, so we can also bring ballots from there. Then the way it works when voting is

          • there’s a table with ballots from all lists that provided them (so missing the ones we’re talking about here) and you can take any number of them
          • then you go isolate in a cabin where you put the ballot you want, or nothing, inside an envelope
          • finally your identity is verified, your vote is counted and you put your envelope in a transparent box

          So there’s not really a way to definitely know you’re voting for an unlisted candidate here.

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        And I was right to; pirate party got less than 1% of votes, also due to the fact they couldn’t afford to have their voting paper in most places.

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          Polls are problematic in that they reinforce their own predictions. It’s especially frustrating in recent years when you’re bombarded with them even when there’s no election in sight. Problem is, governing parties are usually busy governing while populists are campaigning 24/7. Media has made a huge effort to reinforce the trend and get people used to living in a far right era. Polls are unhelpful and destort democracy to a dangerous degree.

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            France. The parties have to pay the government if they want their ballot already present at the election place. As a citizen, you may also bring any ballot you want (within some very reasonable rules), so the smaller parties instruct you to print your own to save on costs.

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              OMG. Here in Germany you sometimes get an entire booklet of ballot papers, if necessary. You wouldn’t even be allowed to bring your own ballot. Otherwise, one could secretly mark their own ballot in some way, thereby undermining the secrecy of the vote.

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                Yeah, this is one of the seasons the Pirate party is pushing for a unique ballot, because the current format is really unfavorable towards small parties that don’t have the means to print the ballots among other things

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      Yeah, the greens had a risk of not getting 5% so it was much more worthwhile to vote for them.

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          There may be even better voting systems but 3-2-1 would be a nice change. This way strategic voting gets at least somewhat mitigated and might force people to actually invest some time and look at the agenda of some other parties too because they have to vote for 3 parties.

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      I still voted for them, because I could.

      And I’m sick of the useful vote thing, I did it last time in 2022 against Le Pen and all I got was a lousy President.

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          both macron and lepen are two corrupted fascists tricking you like a chicken into choosing a side and voting for them instead of “wasting your vote”

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            Strategic voting is what you’re stuck doing depending on your local electoral process.

            She’s going to become president in 2024, she should have become president in 2022 instead.

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              If a party won’t fix the serious issue to let me also vote for who I want, they’re not entitled to my vote.

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                You can deny the reality of the electoral system you’re stuckwith all you want, at the end of the day you’re probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it.

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                  Voting for a party I don’t want is also suffering, though I doubt you’d believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain’t ending this cycle of 22 cycle.

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            No she isn’t? Macron is president until the next French presidential election in 2027.

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              Prolly their confusion is that Macron called for new elections, but unlike some parliamentary governments Macron isn’t selected by parliament.

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      Eh, I’d much rather vote for a party that aligns with my values but might not get a seat, in hopes it will inspire more people to do so next time around.

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        Vote your conscience while you can. I’m pretty much stuck voting for slightly left of center candidates (in the US) because the opposition is to the right of Kim Jong Un depending on the issue.

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    These results are just a drop in the bucket in relation to the grim state of German election results and overall societal discourse.

    There’s not much room for optimism right now. Very dark skies ahead and things may get much worse before they will become better.

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        The parties in power are failing to address the problems ordinary people are facing. Problems like the excessive immigration of people from Asian countries, the insane housing prices, rising cost of living etc. People are looking for alternatives.

        These extremists know exactly what the problems are and how to talk about them. They also know better to meet people where they are, like on social media. To most people who are ignorant of politics, these parties seem to solve all their problems.

        And let’s be real, half the population is below average intelligence. Way too many people don’t realize or even worse, don’t care, about what these parties are really about.

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        Pretty much the same propaganda “package” is being used all over the world.

        Governments work hard and spend billions of public money to try to stay in power, they spend these in modern and technological warfare too.

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    I managed to convince my brother and a friend of mine to vote for them. This is really disappointing. Over half the votes in Germany were for right-wing parties this time, over 16% were for the right-wing-extremist party AFD. Germany really wants history to repeat itself ig.

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      More and more the average voter earns minimum wage, has to pay increasing rent, increasing food prices, has shit education, degrading public healthcare, etc… last thing on their mind is voting and when they do they follow what the (not independent at all) media feeds down their throats.

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      We just had a vote for government officials along the EP vote. Less than 60% turned up which means the most common vote was a vote for nothing. The average voter doesn’t care.

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        At least voters who don’t turn up are harmless. If all the people who voted for EPP-affiliated parties just didn’t turn up instead, we’d face far fewer problems.

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          What a load of bullshit, Voters that don’t turn up are the most dangerous of them all, because it lowers the percentage and skews the votes. If 40% go voting and make their vote invalid, those 40% still get counted, meaning the percentage for other parties is overall lower.

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            Brexit in the UK happened because most didn’t vote, meaning a small percentage of voters had over-inflated influence.

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    I wish I could actually vote for the pirate party. But I can’t here. Didn’t show up in the election list. They were 2 or elections ago