On May 26, a user on HP’s support forums reported that a forced, automatic BIOS update had bricked their HP ProBook 455 G7 into an unusable state. Subsequently, other users have joined the thread to sound off about experiencing the same issue.
This common knowledge regarding BIOS software would, then, seem to make automatic, forced BIOS updates a real issue, even if it weren’t breaking anything. Allowing the user to manually install and prepare their systems for a BIOS update is key to preventing issues like this.
At the time of writing, HP has made no official comment on the matter — and since this battery update was forced on laptops originally released in 2020, this issue has also bricked hardware outside of the warranty window, when previously users could simply send in the laptop for a free repair.
Overall, this isn’t a very good look for HP, particularly its BIOS update practices. The fragility of BIOS software should have tipped off the powers at be at HP about the lack of foresight in this release model, and now we’re seeing it in full force with forced, bugged BIOS updates that kill laptops.
The article doesn’t say/clarify. Was it some crap HP software that performs driver updates, and it decided to force a bios flash? Or was it windows update itself?
If it was windows itself, holy crap, that’s a serious over reach on Microsoft’s part. Like “this is insanity windows needs to be removed” bad.
It was most likely HP, through Windows Update (which handles device-specific driver etc. updates that OEMs are in control of). Microsoft doesn’t concern itself with pushing BIOS updates to some random 4-year old HP model
Years ago Windows used to not provide drivers. This lead to many users never downloading drivers for their devices. Users ran their devices for years without trackpad, Wifi and GPU drivers etc. The drivers were also scattered all over the internet.
These days vendors can supply Windows with drivers and even Bios updates.
It is very unlikely Microsoft pushed these drivers out themselves. HP likely provided the Bios update…
The irony here is that if you’ve an HP laptop you’ll still need to download certain drivers from HP to get things to work at 100%, for instance you may get all the hardware working after running windows update but your special brightness or wtv keys won’t work unless you go into HP’s website and download a thing.
I remember warning labels on BIOS updates that basically said that if nothing is broken, don’t do the update because the risk of bricking the device did not outweigh any potential benefits. That vendors are now pushing mandatory BIOS updates through Windows Update is terrifying.
When I heard that BIOS updates were going out automatically via Windows update I had just assumed the devices in question must be using an A/B update scheme to prevent the risk of accidentally bricking the system, because obviously they should.
Absolutely insane that’s not the case.
They really, really, should be doing A/B systems. Or just have an absolutely minimum loader that can load from EPROM/flash or USB so when the system storage gets messed up, you can still launch the updater from USB. That bios loader doesn’t need to know more than how to talk to storage and shovel bytes to the CPU, maybe blink a LED, it’s simple enough to be able to be actual ROM, never needing to be updated.
Wait, no: SD cards can talk SPI… it’s not going to be fast but it’s only a few megs anyway. The EPROM or Flash you’re using probably speaks SPI, already. You could literally make a system which can load the BIOS from SD card for the cost of a card cage and maybe a jumper. You could have gigabytes of bios storage for three bucks by using off the shelf cheap SD cards, forget A/B storage you could do the whole bloody alphabet and people could replace the thing easily.
Here’s some extra fun: there’s a decent chance that you only need a cable with JST or DuPont connectors. I’ve seen a fair number of laptop motherboards with unused SPI headers/connectors just hanging out. My understanding being that they’re for possible accessories or, literally for flashing/debugging the bios.
Why can even touch bios from system? That sound like horrible attack vector. If can infect bios, no reformat or reinstall will remove virus.
attack vetor if the person has physical access to your device, or the bios connect to the internet, at that point fuck it
No meant like if can infect system, could touch bios and infect, so make virus stay forever.
Which sound horrible.
Also Intel ME can connect to internet and is below BIOS. Agree, fuck it.
You’re not touching BIOS from the system. The software just downloads a cryptographically singed binary and reboots into BIOS. Then BIOS checks if the file is ok and proceeds to flash itself.
HP laptops are garbage. This is the hinge of my HP X360 laptop after 6 months of occasional use: https://i.imgur.com/LhZWBIt.jpg
They’re very inconsistent. I’ve had an x360 since 2020 and, aside from the hinge being weak, it’s still going. I’m also pretty careless with my equipment. My wife uses it now.
But then, I’ve seen more than one like yours that has seemed to evaporate like a cheap t-shirt.
HP has known the hinges are defective since they introduced them. There are so many people having problems a class action suit was filed about it.
Hp means Hinge problem as every single one of their laptops have some problem with their hinges
Damn that laptop is unhinged
They don’t play well with Linux. Occasionally my HP laptop will turn back on SecureBoot with no warning. There’s also like a full minute of delay between opening the thing and keyboard strokes registering. (Iirc, HP is so Linux hostile it’s not really supported by Arch)
Mine will start immediately after shutting down. I have never found a solution other than holding the power button
If it’s not a touchscreen, it’s fairly easy to repair. Still shouldn’t have broke in the first place, but it’s just the back panel cover.
I’ve repaired hundreds of laptops across multiple vendors on all kinds of damage, fwiw.
Touchscreens are also easy to repair, they just have two more wires in the ribbon, that’s all.
Depends on the model. Some are more involved than others.
Yeah, agree. But it doesn’t have to be that way. Some companies are just lazy, sadly.
That problem has every consumer laptop. Lenovos Ideapads and Thinkbooks do the same. As well as the Asus, Acer, etc notebooks from the cheaper end.
I do those hinge repairs from time to time for customers and its rarely a thinkpad, elitebooks, probook, etc.
Ugh. Microsoft really trying to advertise for Linux again
on these laptops you can update bios from bios, just needs to be connected via ethernet
But that’s not automatic or forced. Linux would never automatically update a BIOS.
Is it even possible to update BIOS on Linux? AFAIK, the installers are either for Windows or directly through the BIOS itself.
yes, but the manufacturer need to support, thinkpads update bios fine under linux for example, usinf fwupd
I think its highly manufacturer dependent but I install BIOS updates from Ubuntu on all my Dells.
HP did the damage.
Is it just for ProBooks?..I think something similar is plaguing my Pavilion Gaming as well.
Presumably any model using the same motherboard/chip set, running that OS, I would think. Not my area of expertise.
My wife’s Elitebook was also bricked by the most recent forced BIOS update.
I read this as talking about BadBIOS at first - did that ever turn out to be real, or was it just paranoia?
firmware updates that come through windows update are from your PC’s manufacturer.
I’ve heard that some antivirus programs, such as comodo, can sometimes cause that to happen after certain windows updates.
This is why you need to delay your windows updates with the group policy editor…Or policy plus if you don’t have windows pro
On the offhand chance that someone with a bricked HP laptop stumbles here looking for what to do,
- I’d recommend on removing the M.2 SSD (gumslice-shaped PCB that contains your data) to protect your data
- this can be found by googling your laptop’s serial number and looking for the manual, after downloading the PDF file you’ll be able to open it with Firefox
- you’ll typically need a philipshead screwdriver to access and remove the laptop’s case and remove the SSD
I’m assuming the users might be coming from Windows
To expand: said M.2 SSD contains all of your data, and can be plugged into another computer to recover it, put it on a USB drive or upload it to an online drive. A local PC repair shop is going to be unable to make the PC work again at present, but they can help you with extracting the SDD and your data for less than $100.
Assuming BitLocker wasnt enabled and if so you backed up your key. Otherwise your data is gone.
I’d strongly recommend against that at this point since it will be useless without your Bitlocker key form the laptop’s TPM.
yeeesh is this with Windows 10 and/or 11?still not a fan of Windows
edit:
just remembered this is Windows 11, unfortunately I know some people that got forced to use it with most modern laptopsSince probably 99% of Windows PCs don’t run Bitlocker, I think your recommendation is a bit overblown.
When did you last check the statistic you just pulled from your ass? Bitlocker is on by default on all machines that support it, which is all pc’s and laptops being sold the past few years.
The only exception used to be when you bypass oobe to create a local user account, which also isn’t supported anymore.
Even if it isn’t “bitlocker” branded, most Windows PCs ship with “BitLocker” enabled. The distinction between Windows Home disk encryption and “BitLocker” is that BitLocker additionally allows external management of the key material, while Home only supports the TPM and your microsoft account for the key/recovery codes.
most Windows PCs ship with “BitLocker” enabled
No, they simply do not. Microsoft branded hardware, sure. But I’ve never seen a Dell or an HP with Bitlocker enabled from the factory, and at this point I’ve put my hands on thousands of them.
I can tell you every factory preload of windows on a Lenovo I have seen for the past few years has disk encryption on by default (windows home, so not “bitlocker”, but it’s the same thing with respect to being tied to TPM.
- I’d recommend on removing the M.2 SSD (gumslice-shaped PCB that contains your data) to protect your data
No one should buy HP products anymore. Seriously everything they make is terrible and then they break it more when they get bored of you and want you to buy another one.
Thing is, all the other major manufacturers are just as bad or worse.
As a PC technician, HP still somehow has the best service and support, which speaks volumes about how bad everyone else is. Dell’s support tools are a generation behind HP’s, and Lenovo’s build quality is atrocious. Not to mention Lenovo’s technician support is so badly fragmented and poorly run, they default to having the customer send the device in for repair and avoid sending an on-site technician just so they can avoid dealing with technician support. Speaking from personal experience, getting to the right person when I have a problem or need to order additional parts is like pulling teeth, and even if I manage to reach someone, they’re usually equal parts incompetent and unhelpful.
And Apple doesn’t even want to service their stuff.
These days, you have to pick your poison.
i rarely victim-blame, but if you’re buying HP anything, then yea…
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Most people are more likely just looking for any sort of laptop to buy and aren’t caring about the make of laptop
absolutely. there are also people who believe “a car is a car” and then are shocked that a hole has rusted through the floor of their brand new dodge
i gave up trying to advise people on researching brands and quality before larger purchases–they don’t care
My company only buys HP. I hate it here.
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At one point they didn’t suck so much, but everything has been infected with enshittification
I will NOT buy a Texas calculator.
This is a classical example of user error.
They made the easily preventable mistake of buying HP.
PEBCAHP
Problem between keyboard and wallet
using windows*
fwupd under Linux also pushes firmware updates, if you let it.
After the first 4 words of the title I was assuming it was intentional - Glad it doesn’t seem to be, but HP’s reputation is just that bad.
HP expanding their bad practices from printers to PCs now?
Microsoft should also be to blame here. Sending BIOS updates via automatic windows updates should not be a thing.
The alternative is that BIOS updates simply never get applied.
Which is better than bricking a machine
Not sure when the sentiment changed, but it used to be heavily recommended against updating the bios on any computer unless there was a specific feature or fix your computer needed.
Sentiment changed when the “BIOS” became a component for enforcing security architecture via “SecureBoot” and also Bitlocker sealed to PCRs only does so much if the BIOS code is vulnerable. Now they really badly want a “trusted” chain from some root of trust until the OS bootloader takes over. Problem is that the developers have historically enjoyed being in a trusted, single user context for decades and so the firmware has been full of holes when actually pushed.
The idea of forced automatic BIOS update is dumb. BIOS only should initialize its required components and fuck off afterwards.
seems like it should be an opt-in setting in BIOS;
- HP might want to learn from the other OEM vendors what to do for BIOS/UEFI configuration
There is no BIOS anymore. It’s all UEFI now, which is massively fatter and more complex. Being fat and complex, they have plenty of security vulnerabilities that need to be patched.
User error, should’ve got an EliteBook instead of that cheaper thing. :P
