• YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    “A will be B, B will be A.”

    Either A and B don’t mean anything ‘strict’ or they mean something and that doesn’t make sense. But we should all be against fascism, ofc!

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      20 days ago

      I read it like some boys will be girls and some girls will be boys, not all boys and all girls.

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      21 days ago

      Let’s just say that A and B exist on a continuum and it makes things easier for everyone if we blur the lines a little more

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        20 days ago

        I’m somewhat in agreement with this, but I don’t know if we can actually pass the thresholds with superficial physical changes enough to go from A to B. Regardless, it’s easy for me to talk about because I don’t struggle with gender dysphoria, so I don’t really discuss this IRL and just try to “play along” cause they have it hard as it is.

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          19 days ago

          The thing is there is no line, no threshold. Sex/gender consist of many aspects, none of them is a binary and they are more intertwined than you would think.

          Let’s start with appearance. Body size is two overlapping bell curves (as in the other comment to my first comment). Same is voice pitch, muscle mass, testosterone levels, …

          For organs, there are intersex people and some trans people on stages of transition. Chromosomes: ever met a XXY man or a X0 woman? And it’s not really about the chromosome but a gene on the Y chromosome (SRY) that in rare occasions gets on the X chromosome or is damaged all together.

          Do boys prefer boys activities because of their testosterone level or because they are taught to? Is the muscle mass due to the testosterone or due to the “boy sports” they do?

          And that doesn’t mean that genders don’t exist. There are prototypes of what a woman is but no one embodies them, many tho are close enough to self identity as a woman or man and this can change during one’s life. There are other categorizations such as “read as female/male”, “assigned at birth”, “socialized as …”, (non-)mentruating, … Some folks claim that this attempt takes away analytic categories while in fact, it adds new ones that are important in different contexts.

          So it’s not a threshold but separated steps. You can do activities associated with the genders you weren’t assigned as and broaden the understanding of what a (wo)man can do. You can also identity as and later hormonally transition to. It’s up to you. There is no binary. There never was. Everyone is somewhere in between but many are close enough to one side to embrace it.

    • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
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      20 days ago

      It’s a line from The Kinks’ Lola.

      The first bit, not the bit about fascists. But I suspect they’d be on board with that.