It would improve the society and people quality of life. I don’t understand why is it bad
Whenr i say this people insult me or ban me bc im a “troll”
By the way, im not one, i want to discuss this politely
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It would improve the society
No. It would create a society in which the powerful have decided which genes are the ones they like when in reality, its diversity and complexity that is what’s ‘best’ for humans.
and people quality of life
That is not how eugenics works.
I don’t understand why is it bad
Then take a biodiversity and ethics class.
Just to Godwin the thread, eugenics is the province of nazi’s and other totalitarian regimes. Even though it could never work in the way they want, all anyone who advocates eugenics really wants is to eradicate other people different than them.
Your grammar is poor and it makes you look like an idiot. Therefore you should be forcefully sterilized.
See how stupid that sounds? Same with eugenics.
Your grammar is poor and it makes you look like an idiot
im not native I don’t consider grammar a reason to sterilize, but who knows maybe it’s a symptom of some mental defect
you should be forcefully sterilized
Yes i think so and i will never have sons even if i had the opportunity. My sons would go through the same nightmare that i am or even worse
See how stupid that sounds?
It doesn’t sound stupid
Guy, the whole point is that eugenics is baseless because who decides who should be sterilized doesn’t stop with bad genes or disabilities. It’s always decided on what out group doesn’t align with the current in group. When you open the door to forced sterilization on one group, it leads to the continuation of that practice on more groups.
The decider never feels they are defective.
It is the peak of arrogance to think that we can improve on millions of years of evolution without any adverse effects.
And that’s ignoring all the blatant evil. Which is most of the issue.
This has to be ragebait
It’s not
God this asshat again? Do you just keep reposting this nonsense when it gets deleted?
ethnofascist gonna ethnofascist. What’s hilarious is the audacity to think they wouldn’t be included in the eugenic culling because of how fucking stupid they are.
Ah but see? They have “the good genes” so of course they won’t be culled. Not like “neurodivergents” or “disabled”. We should cull those because “they won’t get a girlfriend”.
This smells of incel, like a fuckton.
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How else would we get 12 fingered pianists?
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In the movie there is a concert and they make a comment that the piece can only be played with 12 fingers.
You’re right, twelve is too low!
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Depends on the keyboard instrument. If it is an organ, multiple arms and legs would be better.
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It is the only logical conclusion. To defeat the ethnofascists hellbent on eugenics, we must embrace transhumanism!
Eugenics becomes a way to justify less fair societies for reasons that don’t fully meet scientific rigor.
You’re seem pretty confident that eugenics would improve peoples’ lives, but why is that?
Eugenics has been used, many times, to justify the mass murder or mass sterilization of entire populations, based on unproven racism and hatred towards the Other, be it people with cognitive differences from the “norm,” or all Jews, or gay people, etc. Really whoever the “in” group doesn’t like.
Eugenicists think anyone that is Other or not in the shape of their ideal human, doesn’t deserve to live. But people who don’t think, act, or look like you still live fulfilling lives, so who gives eugenicists the right to decide who gets to live and who doesn’t? What makes their “ideal pure human” pure and ideal? The answer is usually white and Christian, which exposes the whole thing as absurd.
I’m sure the original post will get deleted, because these kinds of questions don’t usually last long after they’ve been answered, but there you go, I choose to believe you actually wanted a genuine answer.
Because it’s almost always just done on a racial bias and not something voluntary targeted at eliminating genetic diseases.
Even then, a lot of that stuff has a racial lean. Things like Sickle cell may be a huge advantage in places with malaria, but a negative everywhere else.
There’s 100% some generic issues with no positive tradeoffs, but any system that would incentives them from not reproducing and passing on those genes would just be too open to corruption.
The risk/reward just isn’t worth it
Without even looking at the human issues, the underlying idea that you can improve a species by removing its biological diversity in favor of the “best” variant is catastrophically wrong.
Only for extreme cases. People who suffer more than they enjoy life.
Without even looking at the human issues In fact im curious many people say me thinks like this, i do this from an ethical point of view. Many people suffer through their life constantly bc of bad genes. If there were born without them the world would be better
For one thing, the idea that there are “bad” genes stems from the outdated idea that there’s a one-to-one correspondence between genes and physical traits—but the reality is that most genes govern hundreds or thousands of traits, and most traits depend on similar numbers of genes. So bad traits usually result from the wrong combination of genes that are not bad in themselves—take sickle-cell anemia, which results from the wrong combination of genes that by themselves offer malaria resistance. (Most cases are far more convoluted than that.) If you remove the genes that cause the “bad” traits, you’re also removing the good traits they cause in other contexts.
I don’t think the level of control over people’s personal lives and bodies that eugenics would require would actually be an improvement.
Lots of reasons.
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At some point a human decides who gets to be born and how, which has been abused almost every single time, usually against minorities
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Our understanding of human biology is constantly changing. If we suddenly stopped “allowing” neurodivergent kids to be born, half this site wouldn’t exist
Yes, but at the same time this neurodivergent people, same as disabled people don’t have a minimun quality of life… It’s making someone born so that he can be a slave of people who have good life and suffer
Yes, but at the same time this neurodivergent people, same as disabled people don’t have a minimun quality of life… It’s making someone born so that he can be a slave of people who have good life and suffer
Fuck you. Sincerely. As an autistic person.
I don’t need someone to kill me before I’m born, what I need is people that accept that I need accomodations different than the ones neuromilds need.
Fucking hell… You live in a world that is full of accomodations for neuromilds, without which, you’d live in hell. And instead of recognising how easy it is for you thanks to those accomodations, you want to purge us?
Damn how I wish you lived through the life of one of us just for one day…
I’m autistic, currently pursuing a PhD in one of my special interests. I am perfectly content with being autistic. Tl;dr; we need inclusion like neurotypical people already get from systems designed in their image, not elimination.
I needed some services to get to where I’m at…but even neurotypical people need services, at a bare minimum diaper changes and feeding, but practically a lot more things like education, parenting, social networks, shelter, and a healthy environment.
Really, what autistic people need in general is to be included in the wider world, with all of the prerequisites and consequences it entails. Eugenics is, being extremely charitable, an extremely poor attempt at inclusivity by restricting humanity to the types of people the system is already designed to include. In practice, eugenics is simply a way for the in-group to eliminate an inconvenient out-group, and anyone who says otherwise is either wrong or lying to you.
Instead of changing and abolishing people, who in my view have intrinsic worth, we should change and abolish systems, which generically have no intrinsic worth. And in many, many cases, the currently existing systems are worse than worthless even for most neurotypical people, for example racism, capitalism, sexism, LGBT-phobia, nationalism, statism, ableism etc., even before neurodivergence is factored in!
Who the fuck are you to tell me i don’t have a minimum quality of life? Mfer I’ve got a family, business, home, friends. Statistically speaking i probably live better than you.
THIS is the exact problem.
But how can you say that you have a better life than them if you are inferior? Clearly a lesser person won’t be able to reason through these complex arguments…
Don’t you love the smell of nazi at any time of the day? It signals who should you punch.
As a neurodivergent person, let me just say that I have a great life. Why should you, or anyone else, get to make uninformed decisions about who gets to live based on inaccurate information?
Also, just look at bananas to see where eugenics ends up. Crops devastatingly vulnerable to disease, and companies like Chiquita creating slaves of entire nations that manage them. It’s not hard to extend this wrt humans.
But really, the main reason is how tightly linked eugenics programs through history have been linked to fascism.
As a neurodivergent
Fucking everyone is “neurodivergent” because there’s thousands of places to diverge in hundreds of different ways
Is someone was “typical” in every single aspect, just smack dab in the middle average, they would be the most statistically unique person on the planet.
“typical” isn’t even always best, it’s literally just the range of average most people fall into.
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You want to discuss mass murdering people based on subjective bullshit and your own personal biases… politely.
Fuck outta here.
you see? im saying to debate this with respect Anyway, it’s not murdering but selecting the good genes
What exactly do you propose we do with the people who don’t have “good genes”?
Buy some from American Eagle for them.
people who have no mental or physical disbilities, minimun. And if i could i would select the physically attractive ones so that all people can have a girlfriend. Yes i consider not having a girlfriend a factor that lows considerable your quality of life. I know that this might sound you from certain comunity but again im saying this with respect. Im debating, as long as i don’t spread hate im not doing anything wrong
And if i could i would select the physically attractive ones so that all people can have a girlfriend.
If you really think physical attractiveness is the major factor in finding a partner you should first grow up. Then, after that, you can discuss topics like the one you tried here. And hopefully, by then you’ll have a better understanding of what makes a life worth living and why it’s a bad idea to have eugenics.
You haven’t answered my question. A baby is born who isn’t physically attractive and has physical disability. What do we do with that baby?
i know this is is a trick question so i wont answer it But what we should do is avoid that this baby is born
And if i could i would select the physically attractive ones so that all people can have a girlfriend.
No wonder you said this goes sideways every time you try to talk about it…
I assume OP would want to send them upstate to live on a farm or terminate the pregnancy before they are born.
