people have been demonizing it for most of the AD years i think but it’s quite pleasant really. are there any proven negative effects?
Jerking it is fine, but just like any coping mechanism, you can abuse it and get addicted to it, then it becomes a problem.
If you’re doomscrolling porn, for example, then maybe it is having a negative effect on you.
Boobscrolling. Poonscrolling? Goonscrolling!
Coomscrolling
Goonscrolling
Goonscrolling is a crazy word for it, and is now what i will be using from now on lmao
People also demonize sodomy, but it’s been proven that semen in your colon can help fight depression.
Is that causation or correlation?
Practice safe sex, kids.
Tbh, I’ve tried it. It was pleasant.
Because stroking the bratwurst can be addictive and lead to destructive behaviours.
Maybe sure. We all do like bratwurst. We’re not talking about bratwurst luckily.
I think people believe that onani leads to looking at p0rn, which is inherently exploitative to those involved (men and women) and a foul industry. Likewise, it can produce exaggerated sexual fantasies that are unhealthy and can create predatory relationships.
It’s hard to imagine jerking without explicit content, and once you have gone from Swimsuit edition to Softcore, it’s hard to go back… From softcore to hardcore, it’s hard to go back… From niche hardcore to regular, boring hardcore… It’s hard to go back…
And it leads to becoming a person who does this frequently… And then, what if you want a family? Do you really want to be taht guy who is looking at crazy stuff and rubbing one out while your infant daughter is sleeping 30 feet away in her room? Do you want to be the guy whose wife is out of action from giving birth and you are like “Oh, OK, I will just look at explicit hardcore content and content myself…”
It’s a bad habit.
It also creates crazy expectations of others which may even lead to so desiring some novel experience that you have an affair or “open” your marriage.
I get strong “youth pastor” vibes from you.
You got any (peer-reviewed) sources for these claims?
I bet he’s a priest
Wow what a weak take lol.
Onani sounds like a manga one would fap to.
Yeah I believe there’s this weird story about how like… Onani/onanism entered the vocabulary through the Old Testament character and then the notoriously private Japanese adopted the foreign word “onani” to refer to masturb8tion and so it just sticks in my head a bit more and comes out when I feel the need to slightly self-censor in consideration of being on the work net (it’s not an English speaking IT team but, you know how it goes, don’t be the shortest hanging fruit).
You’re not an English speaking troll yourself, “shortest hanging fruit” headass
No one is grading your troll post on word count my guy
I am just a social conservative in the Fediverse offering my two cents.
Sorry to coom on your circle jerk on jerking
You couldn’t even keep your lunatic sentence structure and shit up for two whole comments? They breed the trolls weak these days, man
Christianity and Feminism.
Most of the different waves of feminisms are actually quite vocal about masturbation being a positive thing regardless of gender.
Feminists infamously had a moral panic about pornography in the 1970’s as adult theaters and the nascent home video porno market started to take off.
They predicted pron would condition men to expect sex on demand and sexual assault rates would skyrocket when in fact the opposite happened.
You see this same moral panic from feminists regarding AI girlfriends and you there’s a rising fundamentalist strain of feminism that still says porn is dangerous.
They predicted pron would condition men to expect sex on demand and sexual assault rates would skyrocket when in fact the opposite happened.
Reminds me of “computer games turns teenagers into killer machines” saying.
The current 3rd/4th wave feminism finds male sexual pleasure very abhorrent. If you can find anything in the mainstream discourse coming from a feminist that says otherwise please share.
Feminists can’t even agree to be against circumcision which is clearly genital mutilation.
Thats just not true my dude, there is nothing about feminist thought that says that male pleasure is abhorrent. To think so shows a lack of understanding of feminism…
Okay, post some mainstream feminist discourse that says otherwise. Highly influential feminist like Dworkin go as far as saying that any sexual intercourse with men is sexual assault.
This is exactly my point. This is a harsh misunderstanding at what she was getting at…
She is saying that the reality of sex for the vast majority of history has been about men dominating women, not interested in satisfying the women involved, but someone already covered that point.
First, Dworkin has never said that and did not think that.
Second, she died almost twenty years ago my dude. Intercourse was published in '87 during the second wave of feminism. Why are you misquoting her as an example of current mainstream discourse? And even if we’re going to be talking about feminist views of the 80’s, you’re conveniently ignoring sex-positive feminism. The sex wars were like, the defining feminist debate of that era.
She did in fact say that and your link doesn’t refute that. And sex positive feminism is not sex positive for men. As I’ve said many times before I’m talking about mainstream feminist discourse. Feminist always use this tactic of digging up some progressive strain of feminism knowing full well it’s not influential.
Dworkin may have died awhile ago but her work is still regularly cites and studies by mainstream feminism and her influence can be seen in movies like the Barbie movie.
Andrea Dworkin: No, I wasn’t saying that and I didn’t say that, then or ever. There is a long section in Right-Wing Women on intercourse in marriage. My point was that as long as the law allows statutory exemption for a husband from rape charges, no married woman has legal protection from rape. I also argued, based on a reading of our laws, that marriage mandated intercourse—it was compulsory, part of the marriage contract. Under the circumstances, I said, it was impossible to view sexual intercourse in marriage as the free act of a free woman. I said that when we look at sexual liberation and the law, we need to look not only at which sexual acts are forbidden, but which are compelled.
The whole issue of intercourse as this culture’s penultimate expression of male dominance became more and more interesting to me. In Intercourse I decided to approach the subject as a social practice, material reality. This may be my history, but I think the social explanation of the “all sex is rape” slander is different and probably simple. Most men and a good number of women experience sexual pleasure in inequality. Since the paradigm for sex has been one of conquest, possession, and violation, I think many men believe they need an unfair advantage, which at its extreme would be called rape. I don’t think they need it. I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equality.
It’s important to say, too, that the pornographers, especially Playboy, have published the “all sex is rape” slander repeatedly over the years, and it’s been taken up by others like Time who, when challenged, cannot cite a source in my work.
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/MoorcockInterview.html
She did in fact say that and your link doesn’t refute that.
Come now. She very clearly denies saying it in the interview I linked to:
Several reviewers accused you of saying that all intercourse was rape. I haven’t found a hint of that anywhere in the book. Is that what you are saying?
Andrea Dworkin: No, I wasn’t saying that and I didn’t say that, then or ever.
If you want to claim she’s lying about her own statements, find me a direct quote of her saying it.
“She is often said to argue that “all heterosexual sex is rape”, based on the line from the book that says, “Violation is a synonym for intercourse.” However, Dworkin has denied this interpretation, stating, “What I think is that sex must not put women in a subordinate position. It must be reciprocal and not an act of aggression from a man looking only to satisfy himself. That’s my point.”[1]”
Second paragraph on wikipedia…
But she posits that patriarchy is all encompassing and subordinates all women. Even the feminist that wrote the forward said that’s what she meant.
Numerous feminists have said they interpreted that way. It’s hard to take her denial seriously given the context of her book and the rest of her writings.
Feminism suffers from being very broad. There are a lot of conflict viewpoints living under the umbrella of feminism and people saying that their interpretation is the correct one. And there ate a bunch of waves of feminism too, each one a bit different.
So there are absolutely feminists who are anti male. They may be a loud fringe minority, but they’re there.
I won’t disagree that there are definitely anti-men feminists, but there have also been anti-bi feminists, and currently there are anti-trans feminists. But none of them are worth discussing when talking about feminism as a whole because they really don’t apply. Those are ideologies that should be tackled independently, and should not be considered representative of the movement in general.
But I’m talking about mainstream feminism in the public discourse right now. Think the “Barbie” movie. Male sexuality is very clearly depicted a inherently dangerous which is core mainstream feminist belief.
I haven’t seen the movie. How does it depict make sexuality as inherently dangerous?
Barbie is immediately sexually harassed several times upon first interacting with human men.
Also see “Wonder Woman '84” for more examples which was directed by a feminists with explicitly feminists ideology.
Not to mention Ken’s attraction to Barbie nearly destroys Barbie land and is revealed to based on selfish social climbing and his broken psychology.
Did you actually watch the movie or just regurgitating a viewpoint someone else claimed the movie was about.
Feminism suffers from being very broad.
Bah dum tiss 🥁
Got caught beating it at work, eh?
I don’t find downplaying the gentital mutation of innocent babies funny. I’m not sure why feminists do.
Downplaying the nonsense that you tried to make more palatable by putting it next to actual issues and hoping you could use it to misdirect when you got called out, while also pointing out your completely untrue claims betray that you got justly called out for some IRL bad behavior and want to blame feminists for creating a social norm where that behavior is no longer tolerated.
I seriously doubt it causes either of those. Source?
Read the rest of this thread.
No thanks. The question was about negative effects, and you gave your response. I’d like you to explain how masturbation turns you into a Christian and/or feminist.
Nice strawman, I didn’t say it turns you into a feminist. I said Christianity and feminism demonize male sexuality and that ideology is deeply influential.
You literally did say that.
Q: What are the negative effects if any of Masturbation
A: Christianity and Feminism.
Okay whatever, I already explained my position. I’m not going to repeat myself to every bad faith actor that wants to their own personalized explanation.
You interpreted a movie about respecting women and not objectifying people as anti-pleasure for men, and you call me bad faith. You’re an incel who can’t understand a children’s movie.
Here’s an example of a prominant influential feminist calling all men rapists.
“Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.”
- Andrea Dworkin
How many anti-masturbation feminists do you know personally?
Christianity I can understand, but would you mind explaining why you think feminism demonizes masturbation?
I believe feminism has an issue with how women are portrayed in pornography and how that can influence men’s views and expectations of women.
Feminist demonize male sexuality.
That’s not an explanation you just restated the claim they asked you to elaborate on. What have you encountered that led you to this conclusion?
Yes it is, masturbation is a part of male sexuality. If you demonize male sexuality any endorsement of male sexual expression is an explicit endorsement of the harmful male sexuality.
You’ve been clear about what you think dude, we want to know why you think it.
Feminists posit that men are inherently predatory. See “toxic masculinity” debates. Influential feminists like Dworkin have even stated that any sexual intercourse with men is sexual assault.
Mainstream media, which is deeply influenced by feminism, depicts male sexuality as dangerous “any man can be a rapist” while lying by omission about female predators.
Being male is an inalienable trait and “toxic masculinity” inherently is borne from males. Things like sexual assault are “women’s issues” even though studies show men are assault at near parity to women.
The list goes on, really shouldn’t have spent so much time answering because it’s so glaringly obvious so you’re arguing in bad faith.
Someone needs to go outside and interact with actual feminists.
You’re making a lot of claims about things I don’t think you really have a grasp on. “Toxic masculinity” is not an implication that all men are inherently toxic. It’s a criticism of societal expectations for men that harm them and their relationships.
You’re saying that feminism has seriously hindered acceptance of male masturbation but all you’ve provided here is vague unsubstantiated implications of media bias and a single author’s name. I’m not going to read the entire collected works of whoever Dworkin is to figure out why you think they’re both representative of the entire feminist movement and also hate men wanking it. Give me something tangible here. A quote, a law they supported, a speech, a video, literally anything at all that isn’t just some insulation that’s only attributable to yourself
I would consider myself a male feminist and I masturbate daily so if the movement thinks that’s wrong I’d like to know so I can stop describing myself as feminist.
My ass. Yes, maybe some inviduals do, but feminism itself does not. Feminists only ‘demonize’ male sexuality when it starts turning into treating us as walking fleshlights.
See, that’s really interesting to me! The mainstream feminist spaces I’ve interacted with have been very sex-positive, so I’m curious how you’ve experienced this demonization.
Okay provide some links to these mainstream feminist circles that celebrate male sexuality and or are sex positive about men having sex. I’m genuinely interested.
Here’s exactly what you want: a feminist forum that’s specifically for discussing men’s issues (including sexuality) in a constructive and healthy manner.
Lol, they do not celebrate or encourage expressions of make sexuality instead they cite is all as objectifying just like garden variety feminists.
Do you think objectification is good and healthy?
For anyone on Lemmy interested in these issues there’s also a !mensliberation@lemmy.ca.
Sex positive for women collectively, not for men as a whole.
Not really.
Feminism embraces openness in society, including walking your own path.
If that includes deviating from cis male sexuality, then yes, feminism does indeed allow that to happen, if it happens naturally. In other words: feminism does not force you to take part in the toxic masculinity circlejerk.
In that way, yes, feminism probably reduces the amount of “male sexuality” which is basically toxic masculinity in the world. But it does not force that change, instead, it lets it happen.
You can die of a heart attack if you overdo it.
You can die of cirrhosis from drinking too much for too long, but it’s still culturally held as a stress reliever. You can die from diabetes if you eat too much sugar for too long, but it’s still sold to children as edible happiness. Hell, you can die slowly and painfully from taking too much Tylenol, but it’s still the world’s most popular painkiller by far.
Too much of anything kills eventually. That doesn’t bare any significance to whether or not it’s good for stress in some amount.
Well, I’d say knowing this can add some stress to it, so it does have some significance in a tiny amount.
Touché
I feel like my dick would fall off first
Couldn’t think of a better way to go
Also heart attack by pooping. I’ll keep masturbating and pooping, tyvm.
Try them at the same time for a combo kill!
Whoa you big leaguer you. Eviscerated.
You can die by drinking too much water, should I stop drinking water?
Only if you’re drinking too much.
We should create a community about that, so we can tell the world how great it was.
I personally just did it it and it was great guys, hope you like hearing about it
I did it twice today. The second time wasn’t as epic, but damn was the one this morning great.
Probably to sell more Corn Flakes.
To be fair, they really taste better with milk.
Naturally people are motivated by their sex drive, so there are some related consequences. You may be less interested in dating, marriage, hygiene, and prosocial behavior.
I’d be surprised if that’s true. Do we have any data on this or is this just “seems to make sense” stuff.
There are anecdotal reports of antisocial behavior, erectile dysfunction, etc in many small communities. I think yourbrainonporn.com is a good primer and rebootnation is a forum with people trying and failing to stop masterbating even to their own detriment. Make your own decision though.
Sounds like some totally science-based and non-biased sources. I also recommend masturbationwillkillyourdog.com
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Citation needed. I know you’re trying to be funny, but there’s actually a lot of evidence going back to 2012 that internet pornography addiction is an actual issue for many people.
Watching pornographic pictures on the Internet: role of sexual arousal ratings and psychological-psychiatric symptoms for using Internet sex sites excessively - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21117979/
Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23167900/
Neural and behavioral correlates of sexual stimuli anticipation point to addiction-like mechanisms in compulsive sexual behavior disorder - https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2006/11/2/article-p520.xml#B12
Ooff
Yep the best way to start a new moral panic is by recycling tired tropes from an older one (drug / weed panic of the 80s-90s).
It’s like the video we were all shown in school about dating robots
What about this video?
Hey guys he hasn’t seen the video!
Often times it’s about control over people. Whether it’s religion or capatilism sense it’s something you can do yourself for free that gives you pleasure. Capatilism can’t force you to pay for enjoying yourself and religion doesn’t want you to do things that they don’t control
For fuck sakes. Not everything has to do with capitalism. Puritanical belief exists long before capitalism, communism or whatever economic system you want to paint as the boogyman. And it will exist long after.
Religion that’s why. They have to control you.
Easy dopamine isn’t a good thing. Dopamine is finite but renewable, so if you run through all your dopamine on easy hits your going to end up having motivational issues.
And if your constantly chasing short term Dopamine hits your brain is going to adjust to seek behavours that give instant gratification over somthing that’s just as rewarding, more productive for your personal or professional life, but takes longer to get that dopamine.
By all means deal with your libido in anyway that doesn’t hurt the people around you, but maybe retiring the walkers cramp for a bit might do you good once in a while.
if you run through all your dopamine on easy hits your going to end up having motivational
That sounds very scientific, do you have some sources like peer reviewed and reproducable studies from credible universities?
The most relevant to this discussion would be around “porn-induced erectile dysfunction”. If you Google that phrase, you will find lots of studies and results.
That’s an entirely different problem to the issues with dopamine the other guy is talking about.
While I agree that it’s not exactly the same, there is a lot of overlap. It’s also more complicated than the OP presented.
Since everyone here is refusing to do even a basic search, here is one on the first page of Google results.
An individual’s response to natural rewards, such as sex, is largely regulated by the mesolimbic dopamine pathway, which receives excitatory and inhibitory input from other limbic structures and the prefrontal cortex [64]. Erections are dependent upon activation of dopaminergic neurons in VTA and dopamine receptors in the NAc [65,66]. Excitatory glutamate inputs from other limbic structures (amygdala, hippocampus) and the prefrontal cortex facilitate dopaminergic activity in the VTA and NAc [62]. Reward responsive dopamine neurons also project into the dorsal striatum, a region activated during sexual arousal and penile tumescence [67]. Dopamine agonists, such as apomorphine, have been shown to induce erection in men with both normal and impaired erectile function [68]. Thus, dopamine signaling in the reward system and hypothalamus plays a central role in sexual arousal, sexual motivation and penile erections [65,66,69].
We propose that chronic Internet pornography use resulted in erectile dysfunction and delayed ejaculation in our servicemen reported above. We hypothesize an etiology arising in part from Internet pornography-induced alterations in the circuits governing sexual desire and penile erections. Both hyper-reactivity to Internet pornography cues via glutamate inputs and downregulation of the reward system’s response to normal rewards may be involved. These two brain changes are consistent with chronic overconsumption of both natural rewards and drugs of abuse, and are mediated by dopamine surges in the reward system [70,71,72].
[…]partnered sex no longer met their conditioned expectations and no longer triggered the release of sufficient dopamine to produce and sustain erections
The word dopamine appears 54 times in this article, and overall seems to agree with the OP.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/
So you’re making shit up, gotcha
This is simply wrong. Laughably wrong.
You realize things aren’t viewed the same all over the world right? Here in Sweden it’s nothing bad or wrong, we generally have good sex education and parents that are fine with it as long as we keep it private and clean. And as adults it’s completely normal, not that uncommon to talk about either. There was a monthly magazine for teens when I grew up that talked a lot about sex, sexual identity and stuff like that and the readers could send it questions to get answered by professionals or other readers. Very open and helped so many with things they didn’t dare ask parents or others about and it was always a better source than the Internet when that came around. Pretty sure it’s still a thing too.
So it’s just seen as a thing everyone does and enjoys.
I there should be rules about having jerk off rooms at work. Its a human right like praying rooms!
I think neither should exist.
Sorry - this was a joke
called a toilet
You pray while shitting?
shitting is the prayer!
Ejaculation lower the risk of prostate cancer, so masturbation should probably be medically advised to all men.
4-7 times a week is a good number according this study
7 times a week ??? honey thats an addiction…
I beat my addiction 7 times a week!
your weak i beat my addiction 14 times a week
Amateurs. I beat mine 14 weeks per day.
Pfft! 21 weeks per meat! 🍖
How do ya figure?
Oh… there’s an upper limit? Is 4 times a day not healthy then?
There is the factor of diminishing returns.
At least 4-7 times a week. I have not read anything about an upper limit so go for it.
Im going to live for ever!
My guess would be the benefit plateaus at that point.
