The more I hear people talk about it who aren’t cis-het men, the more I hear criticism about the concept. But so far, I’ve only heard people say that it’s stupid, that it’s not a thing, that it’s men’s own fault etc. But I’ve yet to understand where that criticism comes from. I don’t want to start a discussion on whether or not it’s real or not. I just want to understand where the critics are coming from.

  • Preventer79@sh.itjust.works
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    21 hours ago

    Modern online incel and radfem movements were created to pit them against each other and prevent them from uniting and creating positive social change.

      • EnsignWashout@startrek.website
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        10 hours ago

        I can’t prove anything, but:

        • There’s evidence that billionaires are taking much more than they earn, and that we (everyone else) would be dramatically better off without them (whether we tax them away or… Come to some other compromise.)
        • Billionaires own most media outlets and social media sites, even those these don’t actually make much money compared to everything else the billionaires own. This makes some people ask why they bother…
        • There’s a noticable tendency in billionaire owned media to focus daily on divisive topics. The specific topic changes, but the divisiveness continues.
        • There is history of powerful authoritarians investing heavily in divisive propaganda, primarily to break apart and distract groups of people who could overthrow them.

        What I have laid out is not proof that today’s billionaires are directing their staff to verbally attack minorites at any opportunity.

        But it certainly is something to think about next time a vicious rumor about a minority group comes along.

        • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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          8 hours ago

          Woah, I thought you were talking about a conspiracy of wealthy people that are pitting the sexes against each other. That is interesting and I want to study this some more.

          Somehow you ended on wealthy people hating on minorities. Let me make this clear. This happens all the fucking time. Even our POTUS is guilty of this multiple times with instances like the Central Park Five.

          I mean the whole anti-woke movement is just a bunch of rich racist assholes pushing a toxic message.

          • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            6 hours ago

            I’m not the original person you were speaking to but this is a good example of systemic issues. You don’t need individuals to be racist or sexist or conspire to do bad things if there’s a systemic trend that people in powerful positions are a homogeneous class with their own relatively aligned interests and social circles.

            Billionaires don’t know poor people, billionaires are usually white men, billionaires have similar self interest. Billionaires wield a huge amount of power. BOOM. systemic racism and sexism without requiring everyone to scheme and coordinate.

            This is why liberals fixate on gender and race representation in higher positions, and this is why I and other leftists just want to dismantle unbalanced power structures that give billionaires everything and allow them to exist.

            • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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              5 hours ago

              Eliminating billionaires would do far more to harm fascism than all the DEI initiatives combined.

              • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                4 hours ago

                100%, liberals won’t let go of the root causes of the problems and will keep patching and reforming and patching and reforming all the while every little crisis brings fascism back from the shadows