Who will replace the young people that Clinton regards as dunces? In 2016, the pitch was made to suburban Republicans of the Never Trump persuasion. In 2024, this has been recast as the Biden campaign’s attempts to appeal to Nikki Haley Republicans. This strategy only makes sense as a response to Biden’s loss of support among young people and nonwhite voters.
Clintonian triangulation failed in 2016, and it will fail again in 2024. You simply can’t win as a Democratic presidential candidate by giving the back of your hand to large parts of your own coalition. Joe Biden understood that in 2020—but tragically seems to be suffering from memory loss in 2024.
It’s just flabbergasting because Obama had an incredibly strong showing in 08 largely because of the youth vote… and nobody at the DNC is willing to admit that, because the youth vote is far too progressive these days.
That’s a shot at the DNC, not the 18-25 demographic.
This has been a constant issue with Democrat’s. For some reason they want to cater to right leaning (white) America instead of courting groups that legit win them elections in the first place (young, Latino, and black).
There were enough Republicans who voted for Biden in '20 to flip Georgia, which is solidly “mainstream” Republican (e.g. Reagan Republicans).
The article’s analysis of why Hillary lost is correct, and the diagnosis of the failures of Clintonism is also correct. They fail to point out that Clinton “won” '92 because Perot pulled away enough Bush votes in enough states to swing the Electoral College to Clinton, who only got 40% of the popular vote. That “victory” somehow convinced a bunch of Democrats that conservatism without bigotry (or at least less) was the key to electoral success. Clinton got reelected with the power of incumbency and BobDole being a fairly weak candidate. That cemented the conservatism lite in the Democratic Party for a generation, many of whom are still in the party.
It’s changing though. Biden is not a classic conservative Democrat anymore, or at least his team and policies aren’t.
One big thing they need to do is acknowledge that the system is rigged against the non wealthy, and that small-d democracy as it exists today in America is not up to the task of helping the non wealthy. Then they need to propose ways to fix our broken democracy, ask young people for suggestions for how to fix it, and write some binding policy proposals to implement those fixes.
Because right now Trump and the Republicans are acknowledging that our democracy is failing non wealthy (straight white Christian) people, and the solution they’re offering is to do away with it entirely in favor of Hungarian or Russian style authoritarianism.
The first part of that message will resonate, and the “help us fix democracy” part needs to be the 2nd half. Or Trump probably will get reelected.
I broadly agree with your comment and wanted to add this since it’s a common misconception: Georgia is a purple state with a suppressed vote, not a red state. In addition to gerrymandering and frequent voter roll purges, people in urban areas commonly wait hours in line to vote in fewer polling stations than existed in previous years. And that’s not even taking into account things like criminalizing handing out water to people waiting to vote in line.
There are probably worse states to try to vote, but I wouldn’t think there are that many.
Reaching for the republican defectors instead of reaching for the disenfranchised progressives that are unfortunately stuck in your party already. They may just be too busy working to try to survive in this economy than to show up to vote for someone who forgot about them anyway. Dems would rather scoot to the right than get pulled to the left. Hell, they would rather have a Trump presidency than move to the left. Progressives hurt their doners, a Trump presidency gives them tax breaks and lowers the bar for the office so they can run an even shittier candidate in 2028 as we spiral into this corporate idiocracy.
Anyway, I will be voting for Biden in November to keep it as far left as possible. But it is not a great strategy. I am getting more and more apathetic with this bullshit game and might keep my nose out of federal elections and stick to local/state elections in the future until someone comes along to shake things up. The last 8 years have been horrible in this country and embarrassing, and the best they can do is give US THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER. The federal level elections are just a money funneling clown show that gets gerrymandered into alignment in their desires anyway.
To clarify, I haven’t seen Biden actively disregard us as a species, I’ve seen him pretend to placate us with things like a half assed “attempt” at student loan forgiveness thinking we are dumb enough to be like. “Well, he tried, guess Republicans are bad.” At the end of the day he has actually done nothing productive during his first term, the term he is supposed to be worried about reelection. Even less is somehow going to happen in his second term. But at least he’s not actively going backward like Trump would do.
To clarify, I haven’t seen Biden actively disregard us as a species, I’ve seen him pretend to placate us with things like a half assed “attempt” at student loan forgiveness thinking we are dumb enough to be like. “Well, he tried, guess Republicans are bad.” At the end of the day he has actually done nothing productive during his first term, the term he is supposed to be worried about reelection. Even less is somehow going to happen in his second term. But at least he’s not actively going backward like Trump would do.
he disregarded you if you took any private student loans after 2005
biden was instrumental in making student loan debt easy & non-dischargeable; he deserves more of the blame for it than anybody else for the crap this country is about to experience from this $1.4 trillion fuck up.
also: if you’re not straight he voted against gay marriage and gays in the military and also advocated against gays in federal service.
also: if you think integration was a good thing, biden disagreed.
That’s just a spot on analysis.
There are no Republicans that will vote for Joe Biden.
There are voters who will vote Joe Biden if he moves to go get them.
This isn’t complicated.
It’s just flabbergasting because Obama had an incredibly strong showing in 08 largely because of the youth vote… and nobody at the DNC is willing to admit that, because the youth vote is far too progressive these days.
That’s a shot at the DNC, not the 18-25 demographic.
We should start our own party!
Defederate from the government.
Checks out. Would be a party.
This has been a constant issue with Democrat’s. For some reason they want to cater to right leaning (white) America instead of courting groups that legit win them elections in the first place (young, Latino, and black).
It’s how Obama and Biden won in the first place
I assume because the youth aren’t lining their pockets
There were enough Republicans who voted for Biden in '20 to flip Georgia, which is solidly “mainstream” Republican (e.g. Reagan Republicans).
The article’s analysis of why Hillary lost is correct, and the diagnosis of the failures of Clintonism is also correct. They fail to point out that Clinton “won” '92 because Perot pulled away enough Bush votes in enough states to swing the Electoral College to Clinton, who only got 40% of the popular vote. That “victory” somehow convinced a bunch of Democrats that conservatism without bigotry (or at least less) was the key to electoral success. Clinton got reelected with the power of incumbency and BobDole being a fairly weak candidate. That cemented the conservatism lite in the Democratic Party for a generation, many of whom are still in the party.
It’s changing though. Biden is not a classic conservative Democrat anymore, or at least his team and policies aren’t.
One big thing they need to do is acknowledge that the system is rigged against the non wealthy, and that small-d democracy as it exists today in America is not up to the task of helping the non wealthy. Then they need to propose ways to fix our broken democracy, ask young people for suggestions for how to fix it, and write some binding policy proposals to implement those fixes.
Because right now Trump and the Republicans are acknowledging that our democracy is failing non wealthy (straight white Christian) people, and the solution they’re offering is to do away with it entirely in favor of Hungarian or Russian style authoritarianism.
The first part of that message will resonate, and the “help us fix democracy” part needs to be the 2nd half. Or Trump probably will get reelected.
I think what you meant to say was, that demographics of typically non-voting, but potentially Democrat voters, were activated in 2020, to flip GA.
No Republicans flipped to make GA go blue. It was massive turn out from black and youth voters.
The idea that Republicans do ‘flip’ or will ever ‘flip’ is a damaging fiction.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-demographic-shift-vote-democrat-republican-1.5794314
and the solution they’re offering is to do away with it entirely in favor of Hungarian or Russian style authoritarianism.
Where do you get this from?
He’s just making it up. Republicans going to Biden didn’t flip GA. An activated youth and black vote flipped GA.
I broadly agree with your comment and wanted to add this since it’s a common misconception: Georgia is a purple state with a suppressed vote, not a red state. In addition to gerrymandering and frequent voter roll purges, people in urban areas commonly wait hours in line to vote in fewer polling stations than existed in previous years. And that’s not even taking into account things like criminalizing handing out water to people waiting to vote in line.
There are probably worse states to try to vote, but I wouldn’t think there are that many.
Reaching for the republican defectors instead of reaching for the disenfranchised progressives that are unfortunately stuck in your party already. They may just be too busy working to try to survive in this economy than to show up to vote for someone who forgot about them anyway. Dems would rather scoot to the right than get pulled to the left. Hell, they would rather have a Trump presidency than move to the left. Progressives hurt their doners, a Trump presidency gives them tax breaks and lowers the bar for the office so they can run an even shittier candidate in 2028 as we spiral into this corporate idiocracy.
Anyway, I will be voting for Biden in November to keep it as far left as possible. But it is not a great strategy. I am getting more and more apathetic with this bullshit game and might keep my nose out of federal elections and stick to local/state elections in the future until someone comes along to shake things up. The last 8 years have been horrible in this country and embarrassing, and the best they can do is give US THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER. The federal level elections are just a money funneling clown show that gets gerrymandered into alignment in their desires anyway.
To clarify, I haven’t seen Biden actively disregard us as a species, I’ve seen him pretend to placate us with things like a half assed “attempt” at student loan forgiveness thinking we are dumb enough to be like. “Well, he tried, guess Republicans are bad.” At the end of the day he has actually done nothing productive during his first term, the term he is supposed to be worried about reelection. Even less is somehow going to happen in his second term. But at least he’s not actively going backward like Trump would do.
he disregarded you if you took any private student loans after 2005
biden was instrumental in making student loan debt easy & non-dischargeable; he deserves more of the blame for it than anybody else for the crap this country is about to experience from this $1.4 trillion fuck up.
also: if you’re not straight he voted against gay marriage and gays in the military and also advocated against gays in federal service.
also: if you think integration was a good thing, biden disagreed.