• ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
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    I’m gonna be honest.

    The main reason I don’t like Firefox is the ui.

    It’s one of those things where I’ve been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

    If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I’d use it in a heartbeat.

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    I love Firefox, but I can’t shake the feeling that it it’s slower on YouTube. My tinfoil hat theory is that Google somehow throttles YouTube on Firefox.

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      You haven’t experienced slow until you try to take Firefox through Google Cloud Console or Search Tools. 15 seconds in Chrome, somehow turns into 3 minutes in Firefox, funny how it does that.

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      Do you use YouTube so much that a small performance difference on a single Site has an influence on your browser choice?

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      For YouTube on IOS, I use Brave. It does a decent (but not perfect) job of hiding ads on YT.

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      I’m pretty sure someone discovered that is true recently, but can’t be assed to try to find it right now.

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      Google does that a lot with their own web properties. I remember Google Meet didn’t support background replacement on Firefox, but switching Firefox’s user agent to Chrome suddenly fixed it.

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        That’s a really weird take. Like… what even is the difference supposed to be?

        This sounds more like “everything should be as it was back when <insert arbitrary point in time here>! When there were still Webpages, and we were frolicking about the internet! Until the fire nation attacked Web apps took over!”

        • Safipok@lemmy.ml
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          Basically I am saying Firefox is not as performant as chromium when loading JavaScript.

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            Don’t agree, nothing noticeable for me anyhow. Chrome has the ultimate drawback: being under the control of a monopolistic evil corporation

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            In general, browser benchmarks seem to often favor Firefox in terms of startup and first interaction timings, and often favor Chrome when it comes to crunching large amounts of data through JavaScript.
            I.e. for pages which use small amounts of JavaScript, but call into it quickly after loading, Firefox tends to come out on top. But for pages which load lots of JavaScript and then run it constantly, Chrome tends to come out on top.

            We’re usually talking milliseconds-level of difference here though. So if you’re using a mobile browser or a low-power laptop, then the difference is often not measurable at all, unless the page is specifically optimized for one or the other.

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      Well, Google will probably optimize their shit for their own privacy invasion sniffing tool browser twice as hard as for Firefox and such

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      Same happens with Safari. The page loads in a weird funky way, video sorta first and then comments and suggestions many seconds later.

      On Chrome on the exact same computer it’s instant.

      They’re doing it on purpose.

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      One thing you can test is to apply a Chrome user-agent on Firefox when visiting YouTube. In my personal experience that actually noticeably improves the situation.

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        That’s super interesting! I’m not versed enough though, do you have like a tutorial you recommend or should I just Google it?

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          There’s a bunch of extensions that allow you to switch user-agent easily, I personally use this one, it includes a list of known strings to choose between as well.

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            And to check that it’s working, there are websites you can go to which will tell you what browser they have detected you are using.

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      It’s not tinfoil, they have been caught doing it and they continue to do it. It’s a scumbag company.

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        How the fuck they haven’t been slapped with an anticompetitive is beyon - oohh right. End stage capitalism

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      pretty sure thats a goat. rugged, contrary and independent. one might even say… the Greatest Of All Time.

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    I remember when Chrome was released, all marketing was on how much faster it rendered webpages, I never saw that as an issue, Firefox was fast enough, I tried Chrome for a bit, and hated the UI, I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly, and frankly, I still am a bit confused by both the sudden shift, and the absolute market dominance by Chrome…

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      I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly

      Because they were still using Explorer before that

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        Fair, I can see that, I guess my question was more for the people who already had switched to Firefox

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        I hated Chrome’s UI so much that I switched from Firefox to Pale Moon when Firefox started the whole Australis design language, and only switched back when the current design was launched

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      I switched from FFX to Chrome back in the day because Chrome tabs were all independent processes in task manager, and one crappy website wouldn’t kill my whole browser.

      When Google started their war on addons, I switched back to Firefox.

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      Chrome is very good at running Google’s pages. Even before Google owned YouTube chrome was better at YouTube.

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        Google bought YouTube in 2006, Chrome was publicly released in 2008, so I believe you are misremembering the events…

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      I grew up with a 56k modem. Anything after adsl is warp speed for me. I never understood or observed the speed differences between browsers.

      Maybe I’m just so slow myself that I dont notice the difference but come on… how much can it be? A few seconds? Who is so busy that a few seconds is a worthy amount of time to try and save (not talking about F1 drivers here)?

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    FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

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      Steam’s strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

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      You mean hope that they too don’t become subject to enshittification? I don’t have a lot of faith in that.

      Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there’s no way they won’t start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

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        It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won’t kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

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          Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I’m personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it’s directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

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            I’m more concerned with Mozilla spending its meager resources to chase some fads instead of focusing on improving firefox.

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          to be fair they are the only ones i know of putting it to actual good use.

          ai itself is not the problem.

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      Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the “do anything but nothing” ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

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    does anyone recommend any Firefox alternatives? I genuinely hate Firefox’s UI and keybinds and the scrolling tabs

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      you may not even have to change to another browser or fork, please have a look at some designs in https://trickypr.github.io/FirefoxCSS-Store.github.io/ select a design and follow the page, and you shall find the instructions (usually just downloading/pasting userChrome/Content.css)

      and for scrolling tabs, if your problem is very small tab size, then try changing browser.tabs.tabMinWidth in about:config

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      Floorp, I use it and I love it. It’s especially great for Opera refugees, it has workspaces and stuff. Soon Firefox will support tab groups natively, and then Floorp will be perfect. It’s a Firefox fork though.

      • Tab groups and non-independent tab muting (seems like it was domain-specific rather than tab-specific last I tried) are the two main things that kept me from switching back to FF as my primary browser (still use it for DTA, for example, but DTA got a big nerf back during the major extension overhaul, so that was a letdown). Tried some extensions, but none really worked in a way I considered usable and didn’t want to just keep trial and erroring through them given I already have a browser that functionally meets my needs, even if I’d rather not be using a chromium browser.

        If native tab groups work well enough, I’ll probably give it another chance.

          • I sometimes just need to mute something for a second that I’m otherwise listening to. Or I’m switching between multiple sources, and don’t want like 3 or more playing at the same time… usually all on the same domain. I don’t want to have to actually go to the tab and mute it. I’m frequently muting and unmuting things that way to the point that even if its the only source of sound, I still mute by tab instead of just turning my computer volume off sometimes out of habit, so its a deal breaker.

            I think this just says more about the perils of embracing untreated ADHD than the internet itself.

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      I haven’t experienced that. What is the use-case that makes this happen? I have one machine with only 8 gig and firefox is fine, and a 16 and 32 gig machine, firefox has never eaten 8 gigs

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        What they mean is “I use woefully malformed websites loaded up with all sorts of weird shit that eats ram on the regular, and somehow that’s my browser’s fault”

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        I have a VPS with 1 GB of RAM and Firefox with up to 3 tabs is fine. OK, it’s running Linux maybe FF on Windows is worse.

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    I never really cared that a browser could load a page in 1.5 seconds instead of 1.9… I mean who cares?

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      I didn’t care until it consistently loaded faster.
      That’s now my new baseline, and anything slower than ‘instant’ is annoying.
      I would care if that was no longer the case, because I don’t like being constantly annoyed.

      That said, I don’t think the page loading speed is noticeably different between major browsers.
      The addons, customisation, privacy and resource usage are where it’s at.

      I’m just hoping that some competition to chromium stays afloat.

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    I have been on the firefox train since it was new. I witnessed the rise of Chrome and Chromium, and never really felt the pull, and worried about everyone targeting the same platform. Figured I’d stay on FF until I had no choice. Don’t see myself leaving.

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      Figured I’d stay on FF until I had no choice. Don’t see myself leaving.

      i’m in a similar boat and given the overwhelming majority popular use of chrome, it feels clear to me that firefox will eventually stop working and i wonder what surfing will like like for me in the future.

      i suspect i’ll have to go back to use chrome again.

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    Firefox is slower, not because it’s worse, but Gecko is a minority engine in the web (~3-4%) and because of this the most webs are optimized for Blink. That is the only reason and because most current Browsers are using it, a devils circle. The result of leaving Google hands-free for too long and that for 20 years the number of available engines has remained stagnant (3 and some testimonial exotic forks) because it is the most complicated part of a browser. Little can be done now.

    Well, Apples WebKit is even worse than Gecko, as a small consolation for FF users.

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    I’ve switched to Firefox but there’s definitely a few things that irritate me about it.

    First thing is when I boot up my computer, launch Firefox, it launches long enough for me to click a bookmark then closes to perform an update. And then doesn’t automatically reopen…

    I also have it set to not “remember” my tabs after closing. Yet when I launch Firefox for the first time after rebooting or closing ally tabs, it gives me a “hmm… we’re having a hard time finding your previous session” message. Uh, yeah, I told you not to look for it… can I just have the regular “new tab” page?

    It also might just be because I’m used to chrome, but I feel the mobile app is severely lacking. I hate that I can’t access my bookmarks directly from the new tab page, and that the tablet version doesn’t show you your bookmark bar. The synchronization between mobile and desktop isn’t great either, I’ll have a very long specific search query that I’ve used multiple times on my phone, yet it doesn’t offer it for auto-complete on desktop, I have to search the entire term again or go digging through my history. When you’re searching long model numbers and the like, this is incredibly frustrating.

    Finally, and I don’t know if this is a Firefox issue, but there’s some memory leak that occurs when viewing a webcam stream from my raspberry pi that only has happened in Firefox. The first time I noticed it happening my PC slowed to a crawl, when task manager finally opened Firefox was taking 23GB of RAM. So I have to use chrome to keep that steam open for more than a few minutes at a time.