• Michal@programming.dev
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    7 months ago

    I’d like to try out ff but I’d have to use it for a few days. Is it possible to possible to sync passwords and bookmarks with my Google account like chrome? How’s the touchscreen support?

    • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      Afaik, all modern browsers can import/export passwords and bookmarks? FF lets you set up an account and sync across devices with a unique PW if you want (not your computer user PW, but it could be).

      No idea on touchscreens outside the Android app.

    • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      Firefox mobile isn’t there yet. Passwords will conveniently autofill from your Google account thanks to the Android level implementation of password management, but more importantly it’s resource heavy and bad UI design. Ublock support is nice but some websites just don’t deal with it well. The nightly builds do fix my main problems with the UI but they crash all the time. So there’s hope for the future, but for now it’s not great unless you absolutely need proper browser level ad blocking rather than Blokada.

      • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
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        7 months ago

        Tbh I switched to Firefox mobile from Chrome and have the opposite experience. While it is in someway less convenient for auto fill, as long as my Google account is logged in on another browser page I can always use it for that and they have password and credit card auto fill features should you want to take care of them.

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Not with your Google account directly. You create a Firefox account that is client-side encrypted, and you’ll probably use your Gmail for that. Then, you can import your bookmarks/passwords from there. This might be a good time to move your passwords to an actual password manager like Bitwarden.

  • ColdWater@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    Functionality wise, chrome is better than Firefox but it’s bad when it comes to privacy and ads

    • asudox@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      By default, I doubt that Firefox is better at privacy than Chrome. Actually even worse than Chrome I’d say. But you can customize Firefox to be much more privacy friendlier than Chrome. That is the functionality Chrome lacks. The last time I tried out Ungoogled chromium, it sucked ass. Websites actually loaded slower than on Firefox for me. And both had uBlock Origin installed. I tried those fancy GPU stuff as well, almost nothing changed.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      What is literally one thing Chrome can do that Firefox cannot? Cause I can tell you right now, after tomorrow, only one can block ads.

      • magz :3@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        7 months ago

        WebGPU, WebHID and h.265 are all unsupported on firefox

        that said, i still daily drive firefox with mostly no problems, but saying that it can do everything chrome can is just flat out wrong

        this is by design mind you, chrome have a big enough market share that they can basically just add whatever they want to the web standards and all other browsers just have to try to keep up. i imagine that’s part of the reason that chromium skins are so widespread

      • spicystraw@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        To be fair, Chrome does generally render most websites faster and correctly. I have Chrome installed just in case of some webpages not working with Firefox. Now, that’s not Mozillas fault, but from user standpoint makes Chrome more attractive browser to use.

  • MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Honestly, I’m less worried about the speed and moreso I just don’t like supporting Google’s de facto monopoly of the Web’s infrastructure.

    • ChallengeApathy@infosec.pubEnglish
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      7 months ago

      The thing is, using a Chromium-based browser isn’t contributing to their monopoly unless Google holds sway over the fork. Brave, Vivaldi, those two are generally fine and stand against what Google has been up to.

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Sure it is. Everyone starts trying to be sure things render correctly on Chromium based browsers and nothing else. Next thing you know people say “Wow Chromium based browsers render pages more reliably than everything else” and then you end up somewhere not too differently from where we were heading. Everything that’s not based on Chromium starts getting tossed aside.

      • jose1324@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        I dunno. Using chromium with a little editing, but 90% og chromium is basically the same monopoly.

          • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
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            7 months ago

            You can’t truly degoogle chromium without a hard fork. Soft forks are still enabling them and their grip on the web, even if they’re not specifically spying on you in particular.

      • Vittelius@feddit.de
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        7 months ago

        They are contributing to Google’s hold over web specs. If Google decides to implement a feature off spec, then website developers will optimise for that implementation because it will be the implementation used by all chromium based browsers. And that leads to worse performance for other browsers with a more correct implementation.

    • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      7 months ago

      pretty sure thats a goat. rugged, contrary and independent. one might even say… the Greatest Of All Time.

  • glitchdx@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    chrome used to be good. Emphasis on the past tense.

    Firefox was always good. Chrome was very briefly better. Firefox has not suffered enshittification like chrome did.

    • GTG3000@programming.dev
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      7 months ago

      I mean, I clearly remember firefox being terrible back when Chrome was just beginning to take off.

      It was a lumbering monolith that ate all your ram and loaded pages at a glacial pace. Chrome was a multi-process revolution from that.

      Then, firefox got it’s shit together and chrome got overloaded with corpo bullshit.

      • KrankyKong@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        It used to take firefox ages to open. I switched back after the big update in the mid 2010s that made it good again.

    • Dr. Zoidberg@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      This. Firefox has always been just good. It wasn’t great or anything, it was just a good browser. Then chrome came around and it had more, better features. It was a bit more memory usage, but those were for the additional features Firefox didn’t have.

      Firefox didn’t really change a whole lot, it added synching features across accounts, and didn’t get worse. It just stayed the same.

      The people made Firefox better, because now they’re creating add-ons for Firefox, where chrome had more.

      I feel like once chrome got the majority of browser users, it immediately started going to shit. I have no proof of this, just a memory of it being better until it was announced that chrome was the most used browser, and the near immediate heavier memory usage.

      • orphiebaby@lemm.eeEnglish
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        4 months ago

        I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under where you think base Firefox wasn’t ever improved

      • SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
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        7 months ago

        It’s all telemetry so the advertising company that made Chrome can harvest your data for resale at bargain bin prices

        • Zerush@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          Yes, but not neccesary other Chromium do it, that depends only on the corresponding devs. Chrome is a RAM and Data Hog, because use for every tab a own process, but Vivaldi Hibernate the background tabs and because of this use less RAM than other Chromium and even FF. But generally all US browsers send data to Alphabet, googleanalytics and googletagmanager, except Edge (also Chromium), but in change it sends data to other MS partners which are even worst (Towerdata). I use Vivaldi for this, because it’s the only existing EU browser (after the French UR browser died some years ago) maybe apart Konqueror from KDE (Linux only, KHTML or KDE WEBKit engine), no data for third parties, nor Google, despite the Chromium base. The Browser companies are the problem, not the engine which they use.

  • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    If you’re switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        Vivaldi has in its inbuild ad/trackerblocker also filters to block cookie popups, no problem with this

    • sudo42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Mouse gestures is the killer-app for me on Firefox. Hate surfing without it.

      P.S. Do wish Firefox had tab groups tho.

        • sudo42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Firefox add-on for Tab Groups? I looked and couldn’t find one. At some point they appeared to try to support tab groups, but gave up? I dunno. I’ve only used Chrome a little. I don’t personally care for Chrome, but I found the tab groups useful.

          • psud@aussie.zone
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            7 months ago

            I just searched “tab groups Firefox” and found results saying it has them. No idea as I wasn’t able to find relevant settings last time I tried on a PC. Mobile just now I tried adding tabs to a collection, but it doesn’t look like it did anything

            • sudo42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              7 months ago

              Thanks, but I tried a few weeks back to get tab groups working for Firefox on MacOS. No joy.

              • psud@aussie.zone
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                7 months ago

                Hope someone else chimes in on how to do this. I typically have hundreds of tabs open, groups were a godsend

                On mobile chrome I have “:D” tabs open which I occasionally go through and cull

        • uhN0id@programming.dev
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          7 months ago

          Would noscript allow you to block things like when a site packs your history with their website making it impossible to back out to the page you came from? How does it work considering so many sites now are built with JavaScript libraries like React?

          • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            I dunno about the history but single page apps like react apps you can just accept the JS from the actual host in the address bar and leave all the rest turned off. Just tested on twitch. Accepting no JS loaded the home page and a spinner gif after selecting a stream. Accepted just twitch.tv and I could see the video stream and chat without having to accept any of the other hosts blocked.

            • uhN0id@programming.dev
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              7 months ago

              Rad. Thank you. Working on my switch to Firefox today. Between this noscript stuff and learning about styling Firefox with CSS I’m absolutely sold on the switch and no longer dread the process of ditching Chrome (mostly due to familiarity than anything else).

              Thanks for the info!

  • bruhduh@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Everything enshitifies… Everything, problem that worries me that, Firefox will enshitify like this too one day

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      At that point it will be forked yet again, and that fork will take over. Mozilla is a very active open source member though.

    • psud@aussie.zone
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      7 months ago

      The browsers are all quite good at copying your links, tabs, and history. Don’t worry, there will always be a good option, especially since open source has no strong path to enshittification

        • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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          7 months ago

          How close did we come to being a footnote in the history of a future species that would happen upon our ruins ten thousand years from now? Would they indulge in the fiction of their own immortality until the Shivans came for them? And how long had this gone on? Did the Ancients stumble upon the monoliths and the tombs of their predecessors in this distant corner of space, dismissing the warnings carved into the walls of the sepulchre? And when the destroyers came at last, what did the Ancients think as they sifted the cremation of dust and bones, staring into the mute remains for a key; some solution to their plight?

          What if there had been countless races stretching back into infinity? And like the nine cities of Troy each civilization had been built on the rubble of one that came before. Each annihilated by the Shivans.

          The Ancients died eight thousand years ago, as humanity emerged from its neolithic infancy. They believed their voyage across the sea of stars awoke the dragon that slept beneath the waves. That the Shivans were birthed from the flux of subspace and their destruction was the revenge of an angry cosmos.

    • Ephera@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      Mozilla has no traditional profit motive. The Mozilla Corporation, which develops Firefox, is a 100% subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, which is legally a non-profit organisation.

      So, if the Mozilla Corporation makes a profit, they cannot pay out that profit to shareholders. Practically all they can do with that money, is to pay higher wages or set it aside for future invest in their products.

      That does not mean that they cannot stagnate or use money badly. And it does not either mean that they never need to make money. But it does mean that there’s no shareholders demanding short-term profit above all else.

  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I’m gonna be honest.

    The main reason I don’t like Firefox is the ui.

    It’s one of those things where I’ve been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

    If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I’d use it in a heartbeat.

  • Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    Firefox is slower, not because it’s worse, but Gecko is a minority engine in the web (~3-4%) and because of this the most webs are optimized for Blink. That is the only reason and because most current Browsers are using it, a devils circle. The result of leaving Google hands-free for too long and that for 20 years the number of available engines has remained stagnant (3 and some testimonial exotic forks) because it is the most complicated part of a browser. Little can be done now.

    Well, Apples WebKit is even worse than Gecko, as a small consolation for FF users.

  • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I usualy love it, but for some reason Firefox fails to retrieve web pages about 75% of the time when on the internet connection at my parent’s house, and I don’t know why.

    It acts like a DNS failure, but the DNS settings are the same in Firefox, Chrome, and the router.

    Meanwhile Chrome and Edge work great.

  • Yerbouti@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    People saying FF is slower: like how much slower, are we taking like 14 millisecond slower? Cause everything seems pretty instantaneous here. Maybe its because i’m old enough to remember DSL and 56k internet, but I think FF os crazy fast and even if Chrome would be 25% faster I wouldn’t swith to evil google for that.

    • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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      7 months ago

      It used to be a lot slower, which is why when Chrome showed up with its shiny new V8 engine (and other features) people switched from Firefox en masse. Now the performance difference is no longer noticeable.

      • celeste@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        7 months ago

        Ye a few months ago I remember that the benchmarks showed firefox was just as fast as chrome again or minimally faster/slower in certain benchmarks

    • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      7 months ago

      61 Firefox windows and 427 tabs (don’t judge, I know I have a problem) and I have no performance complaints - admittedly, not all of them are active/rendering simultaniously, but still…

      Firefox (and its forks) have been my go-to for 15 years.

        • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          7 months ago

          indeed! had I not posted this, I would be asking the same question!

          so, its quite a bit more mundane than you might have hoped for.

          a mix of…

          • ~40% locally served internal pages (mostly zabbix, mail/web server monitoring, some development pages, etc).
          • ~60% non-local pages - currently lots of retro computing stuff, debian stuff, github (sigh)

          the most recent page I opened was an archive.org page on TI-84 firmware disassembly.

          I make heavy use of Firefox containers for separation. honestly, Firefox is an absolute workhorse for me. if the Firefox ecosystem were to fall into the void, I would be dead in the water.

          • smowtenshi@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            That’s a really interesting set of pages!

            I remember opening hundreds of random github repos and starring them for “further research”, and never looking at them again.

            Also yes, life without Firefox would be miserable.

    • Xatolos@reddthat.com
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      7 months ago

      Last time I tried it? Like freeze and be unresponsive on my phone for seconds at a time slow. (My phone doesn’t lock up though, I can still go to the home screen, swipe to see notifications so it’s not the phone locking up completely)

    • BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      https://www.phoronix.com/news/Firefox-Chrome-109-Benchmarks

      I wish firefox was faster but benchmarks are pretty common, it’s not hard to test. It’s kind of an unfair fight at this point honestly, large swaths of the web are just built for chrome. There are other benchmark options out there, but even using Mozilla’s own kraken benchmarking solution, it loses tremendously more than it wins. I honestly really respect them for not building their benchmarking system to make their solutions come out on top.

      In some benchmarks the lag from firefox is very significant and then on the other hand, when firefox does win, chrome is usually right behind it. It’s not ideal.

    • hungrybread [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Are they? I watch YouTube on Firefox all the time, seems fine on my machine.

      I think maybe 5+ years ago there were some performance issues caused by YT relying on features that were only implemented in Chrome, but I don’t recall having any issues wrt that for years.

      • RoabeArt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        7 months ago

        I wouldn’t say “completely fucked”, but for a few years I noticed YouTube on Firefox has this occasional quirk where videos will quit playing and infinitely buffer at the exact same timestamp. Like there’s no way around it except skipping about 30 seconds ahead with the seek bar, or doing a Ctrl-F5 (hard refresh) and starting the whole video over. Opera GX doesn’t seem to have this problem at all.

        But it’s still not a big enough deal to make me give up Firefox completely.