What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
Lately? That subculture where they believe everyone but the West are the good guys and working together has always been here. The devs are involved.
Liberals projecting their supremacist and childlike Good Guy/Bad Guy worldview onto communists is like a deep sea tube worm trying to explain flight to a bird.
That a neutral description of what you believe elicits a mass, troll-brigade type response is interesting just from a psychology perspective. Why you mad?
Don’t pretend you’re such a galaxy brain that 99.99% of people can’t even fathom your deep insight. It really is that simple, you’re not about to accuse China of being evil or say America is good.
geez bud you trying to be nice sure looks a lot like you trying to be a snide piece of shit
Lol you think advancing beyond a Marvel movie-based worldview for children is “galaxy brain” shit
Remind me what percentage of the population your subculture makes up, again?
1.5 billion people, roughly one fifth of all currently living human beings
Suuure bud, Hexbear is nearly all-English for no reason. And my family over there actually agrees with you about everything, and isn’t just trying to make bread (well, sticky rice) like the rest of us.
I’m pretty comfortable with moral grayness, at least. Canada has treated it’s natives very badly. Would you care to share some about China?
Yes, that’s a trap. Because you and the moderators of this instance do think they’re just the good guys. Which is an opinion you can have, I don’t know why you’re suddenly bashful about it.
Literal medieval peasant brain, believes in good and evil and assumes anyone who doesnt must just be lying about it. Like how a thief thinks everyone is out to steal from them. Sad.
You’ve spent this interaction running though every cope and deflection in the book, because on some level you recognize that you’re so far out of your depth you’re at risk of barotrauma.
Having this pointed out will not deter you, because your ego is too fragile to let you walk away.
eat piss
Love you too.
There’s no lately…the communities of people who actually oppose Western imperialism have been building Lemmy for 6 years, 3 years before the API protests
Evil china and evil russia have never done anything to my country while the US and Europe did and continue to do so, is that clear enough?
ok but have you considered chinese imperialism!!! they’re invading the world with cheaper, better and faster smartphones and ethically made synthetic diamonds that are materially indistinguishable from the diamonds mined by slaves owned by the west and various renewable energy tech that will absolutely be used to steal solar energy from countries investing in it and definitely not help countries divert away from broken-down non-renewable energy infrastructure depedent on Western private companies to “maintain”!!
don’t you get me started on russian imperialism… You don’t wanna get me started!
Ml was always pro china pro russia nothing new. I am more worried about the rise of zionism apologists
Is this an organized disinformation campaign???
YES, and has been since at least 2016 if not earlier, via BRICS bots. Bots btw are slaves, not robots per se, NPR did a planet money episode on this. They have huge slave networks to scam money and misinform people (also to scam money from but at govt scale, get blackmail). These are massive online slave armies, just like the North Korean men and Russian prisoners fighting in Ukraine are part of a slave army.
I’m rabidly pro-China and tacitly pro-Russia. I will praise both their people and their governments when I feel they are doing right, and criticize them when they are doing wrong.
Why do I support them despite
X,Y, andZ?:Simply put, the actions of China and Russia are weakening US hegemony, making possible the development of Africa and the rest of the global south, in effect saving hundreds of millions of lives, if not billions.
No amount of nitpicks or disagreement on lofty ideals will ever outweigh that.
Not interested in spreading falsehoods, but if anyone would like to organize efforts to express these opinions and supporting evidence, I would enthusiastically participate.
Westerners are so conditioned to regurgitate hatred against the officially sanctioned state enemies that not blindly parroting their caricatures is seen as suspicious, let alone have positive things to say.
I have more and stronger critiques of both countries and their governments than their haters do, largely because I have made serious attempts to understand the culture, history, & material conditions of these countries, instead of brushing them off with a thought-terminating cliché.
EU? More like PU.
lately
Huh, wonder who that’s for
In a very simplified answer: China and Russia (as well as Iran) never made any thinly-veiled threats of turning my hometown of Johannesburg into the next Gaza.
A little follow up: Why don’t you live in China or Russia if life is so bleak in the western countries?
Is it your first time here?
Lol, OP is mad they got their post removed for claiming that Covid was a Chinese bioweapon.
I saw China take COVID seriously while I was marched off to work to die because my job was “essential” - the US, EU, Canada, it was basically every Western country except New Zealand (which is an island and basically became a bunker nation for billionaires and shouldn’t really count)
I became pro-China after that.
Personally I haven’t seen anything pro-Russia, so I can only comment on pro-China content.
Seems to me like a lot of people are finally realizing most of what they knew about China was American propaganda, and it’s not actually that bad. Though of course, people being polarized as they are, they’re moving from one extreme to the other, and not somewhere in between.
Plus, China has a lot of resources to spend on its own propaganda. This especially affects younger generations, who spend a lot of time on TikTok.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
I’d say it’s quite likely.
China has a lot of resources to spend on its own propaganda. This especially affects younger generations, who spend a lot of time on TikTok.
Got any evidence to back up this assertion?
I’d say it’s quite likely
Or maybe people just disagree with you
So this is the lemmy.ml I’ve heard so much about, huh?
Got any evidence to back up this assertion?
You want me to prove… that China is rich and can afford pretty much everything, including online propaganda…? Hmm, let’s see… I guess the fact it’s the world’s 2nd biggest economy (or 1st if we look at actual productivity and not the USA’s heavily inflated GDP) might be a tiny clue.
Would it really be a shock to anyone if a global superpower spread propaganda to be viewed more positively by people around the world? Russia and the USA do it all the time. Why wouldn’t China?
Or maybe people just disagree with you
I guess people never disagree with you, becuase it looks like it’s the first time you’ve been exposed to an opinion that doesn’t align with yours.
Would it really be a shock to anyone if a global superpower spread propaganda to be viewed more positively by people around the world? Russia and the USA do it all the time. Why wouldn’t China?
Completely reasonable.
I’d say it’s quite likely.
But this isn’t reasonable at all, and it’s what you’re trying to defend.
Lemmy has no value. It’s a waste of resources. Your assertion wasn’t that China is has propaganda. I know they do, there are hundreds of officially disclosed initiatives. Your assertion is that Lemmy users aren’t genuine.
You also implied that TikTok - A platform globally moderated by the the USA - is a hotbed for PR Chinese propaganda, which isn’t reasonable either.
Your assertion is that Lemmy users aren’t genuine.
Good point. I completely forgot the scope of OP’s question was Lemmy specifically. In that case, I’m not sure whether it’s likely that it’s a disinformation campaign or not. I certainly hope it isn’t.
You also implied that TikTok - A platform globally moderated by the the USA - is a hotbed for PR Chinese propaganda, which isn’t reasonable either.
Isn’t it reasonable? There’s a lot of both pro- as well as anti-China content on American platforms. I’d think there’d be at least as much pro-China content on a Chinese platform. There does’t necessarily have to be more of it. I’d say it’s more a matter of young people being vulnerable and TikTok being extremely good at capturing their attention.
I’d think there’d be at least as much pro-China content on a Chinese platform.
There is a lot of Chinese state-sponsored propaganda on TikTok, as well as pro-China speech by unaffiliated users. This is true of TikTok and of YouTube and Twitter. (The state-sponsored propaganda I’m highlighting isn’t particularly insidious, it’s things like student exchange or paid travel bloggers, Chinese news spending budget to create English language content). But you aren’t more likely to come across it on TikTok than western platforms, because China doesn’t control the algorithm. TikTok was forked off a Chinese product, but it’s controlled by Oracle and the USA in terms of tuning and moderation. The Chinese just collect rent.
Now if your angle isn’t that TikTok pushes those things, but just that kids use it and kids are impressionable, then I don’t have any objections with what you’re saying. I haven’t seen any Chinese state-sponsored content that plays well with kids, but I wouldn’t expect to either since my recommendation feed looks different (and I don’t use TikTok).
You want me to prove… that China is rich and can afford pretty much everything, including online propaganda…?
No, that’s not what I wanted you to prove, try reading again.
I guess people never disagree with you, becuase it looks like it’s the first time you’ve been exposed to an opinion that doesn’t align with yours.
I’m not the one accusing everyone who disagrees with me of being secret Chinese agents dog.
hey you notice how at no point did you leave your mind palace?
“Well it’s true because I figure it’s true and you’re stupid if you disagree”
Profoundly unserious.
I guess people never disagree with you, becuase it looks like it’s the first time you’ve been exposed to an opinion that doesn’t align with yours.
imagine telling a communist that they’ve never been exposed to a differing opinion
Lol at “the EU to a lesser degree”
i think a lot of us are more anti-us than pro-china, which says something in and of itself.
If that’s how y’all really feel, you can immigrate.
Many people do this year early. In fact millions come to the US because they prefer it over their home countries.
I don’t see why see why all these commie larpers won’t do the same. It is easier to switch countries than it is to switch your countries government.
sadly, i can’t “emigrate” usian influence over my country.
So you just get online shilling one empire while disparaging another while having no relation to either?
🤣
only one of these has tried couping my country multiple times. you are currently trying to coup us again, hence why i’m saying you should leave.
and please notice how this doesn’t narrow down where i’m from.
its damned if i do, damned if i don’t for you people ain’t it.
I just don’t understand bootlicking a foreign regime as an adult tbh
But you do you, I guess domestic daddy is not enough, you need a foreign daddy to feel safe!
its almost like you literally didn’t read what i bothered to type out and responded with something completely detached from the conversation.
You explained why you don’t like US which is fair but it doesn’t explain why would automatically start bootlicking chinise regime as non Chinese national.
“LOL YOU HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT THINGS”
Fucking moron
Why u mad tho dear?
2006 4chan was 19 years ago
‘u mad’ replies make you look like a fucking loser
Go on… Tell the class how you really feel
