Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014 ran a proxy war in the interim and has failed to complete it’s military objectives after nearly four years of total war?

Russia has over a million casualties.

Is this what winning looks like?

A little follow up: Why don’t you live in China or Russia if life is so bleak in the western countries?

Is it your first time here?

Tribalism is a cancer. We dont need it anymore.

United we stand, divided we fall.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

The US has big problems with human rights, that start with zionist first rule, and needing misery and oligarchist pillaging to make Americans have bigger problems than warmongering, Israel supremacy, directly corrupt and rigged elections, or “well first they are comming for the others”, and I still have bigger problems.

The NATO colonies are even far worse. Democracy means rule by those allowed by CIA, with population programmed with CIA values. The CIA programming, and total capture of politicians, means normalizing the real enemy to the NATO colonies as a permanent friend and master. The only valid elections in entire world are those approved by CIA values. Never any need for evidence of invalidity, you just take State Department/Elon Musk view that “we will coup whoever we want to coup”.

Our countries dress pure corruption as freedom. While freedom seems awesome, the freedom to corrupt, lie, propagandize you into oppression demonic evil diminishment of nations labelled less free, and you internalize those wars as a supremacist right instead of the theft of your prosperity simply makes the corruption of democracy too powerful relative to your critical thinking, attention and distractions from your oppression.

Without CIA influence over a country, it can hope to govern itself in national interest instead of CIA allied oligarchy. Russia and China are mostly successful at this. Freedom is awesome, but the powerful’s freedom to corrupt will always result in greater overall corruption, oppression, and oligarchism Normalizing CIA involvement in your media and democracy means your nation is doomed, and lemmy defending demonic evil corruption is the direct result of a lifetime of propaganda.

Liquid democracy is easily available with current technology. Already substantially implemented in crypto currency tokens. It’s the only real democracy. That people each have an equal share in their country’s government, and its revenue/left over revenue, is distributed as a dividend, means making sure there is a lot of left over revenue instead of corruption.

wow this one spawned a hell of a struggle session

This post got brigaded; you know, that thing that the very same people accuse us of 📽

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44029753

Some of them even broke out their alt accounts, which they use exclusively for vote-spamming. One of them has a two year old account that’s never made a single post or comment. We ban those.

Who are pushing pro-China narratives? Who are pushing pro-Western narratives? What are their motives and, at the end of the day, who is benefiting from it all? Do the words of the politicians whom you support match their actions, or they just looking out for the bottom line? There are states that treat their citizens with dignity and there are states that do an exceptional job of convincing their citizens that they are being treated in a dignified way.

You don’t have to be reflexively pro-China or pro-West. Evidence from reputable sources has been provided throughout this thread and in all corners of the internet. The people who can best answer your question have led you to the water. It is up to you to drink it.

This poster was banned? Guess you cant ask these kinds of questions on a .ml community.

I’d like a definition of “pro-Russia” and “pro-China.” Does crediting other countries for any progress, while your own country goose steps towards fascism, considered a “pro” stance? Russia and China are reacting to attacks from the West.

The most tagged accounts I’ve seen in a single thread.

You’ve really summoned all the tankies dressed as commies…

Generally lemmygrad, hexbear and ml stuff you want to avoid. The people live in their own delulu land.

Ml was always pro china pro russia nothing new. I am more worried about the rise of zionism apologists

Is this an organized disinformation campaign???

YES, and has been since at least 2016 if not earlier, via BRICS bots. Bots btw are slaves, not robots per se, NPR did a planet money episode on this. They have huge slave networks to scam money and misinform people (also to scam money from but at govt scale, get blackmail). These are massive online slave armies, just like the North Korean men and Russian prisoners fighting in Ukraine are part of a slave army.

I saw China take COVID seriously while I was marched off to work to die because my job was “essential” - the US, EU, Canada, it was basically every Western country except New Zealand (which is an island and basically became a bunker nation for billionaires and shouldn’t really count)

I became pro-China after that.

Never seen any of this stuff. Not even once.