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The new MV3 architecture reflects Google’s avowed desire to make browser extensions more performant, private, and secure. But the internet giant’s attempt to do so has been bitterly contested by makers of privacy-protecting and content-blocking extensions, who have argued that the Chocolate Factory’s new software architecture will lead to less effective privacy and content-filtering extensions.
For users of uBlock Origin, which runs on Manifest V2, “options” means using the less capable uBlock Origin Lite, which supports Manifest V3.
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Firefox? More like fire chrome amirite? 🥁
I switched to Firefox the same time I switched to Linux and I switched to Linux with the reddit enshittification.
Use non chromium based browsers ppl unless you absolutely need it
For those looking to move beyond Chrome, there are alternatives that come pre-installed with uBlock Origin and are considered better than Firefox:
This project is a custom and independent version of Firefox, with the primary goals of privacy, security and user freedom.
LibreWolf is designed to increase protection against tracking and fingerprinting techniques, while also including a few security improvements. This is achieved through our privacy and security oriented settings and patches. LibreWolf also aims to remove all the telemetry, data collection and annoyances, as well as disabling anti-freedom features like DRM.
The Mullvad Browser is developed – in collaboration between Mullvad VPN and the Tor Project – to minimize tracking and fingerprinting. It is designed to be used with a trustworthy VPN instead of the Tor Network. It does not require the use of Mullvad’s VPN.
Anyone that’s used Librewolf mind offering their opinion on it? That description sounds pretty sweet.
I quite enjoy using it. Stays out of the way, boots instantly, is very plain looking.
It is pretty sweet. Used it as my main browser for a year. It comes pretty hardened. Try it out for sure its worth it.
It’s great. It’s essentially Firefox, but without the unnecessary bullshit like Sponsored sites or Pocket integration, and it has some quite significant privacy and security improvements. Also comes with uBlock Origin pre-installed.
I’ve had librewolf specific bugs absent in firefox, definitely not a strict upgrade.
It’s a bit too restrictive by default imo, good for privacy but you will need to change quite a few setting if you want to browse normally.
Despite my opinion it’s the browser I use most on my laptop.
In my experience, the Flatpak variant of Firefox on Linux is the swiftest among Firefox-based browsers.
It’s the best. Deletes all cookies and browsing data on exit by default. I changed it to keep history and cookies for a handful of sites
I additionally use JShelter to get rid of most clientside fingerprinting
What’s jshtler is this like noscrypt?
Not really, NoScript prevents executing all JavaScript by default. JShelter instead strongly limits what JS can do and spoofs some values to throw of fingerprinters. It also has a network boundary shield (mostly blocking cross sites post/get requests. Same for lan to prevent your local network being scanned etc). And it comes with a fingerprint detector which allows you to see which websites want to track you the most (I avoid those whenever possible)
Deletes all cookies and browsing data on exit by default
This would make for an extremely annoying browsing experience.
True
That’s why I changed it to keep all history and cookies on pages I whitelisted
Looks up LibreWolf on AUR
Holy dependencies batman!
What do you mean by that?
(I’m a filthy casual)It just has a crap load of software packages it depends on to work properly (though a number of them seem like fonts). I have reasonably fast computer, and it’s been compiling for about 45 minutes at this point.
Use librewolf-bin or just use the flatpak
Just did with librewolf-bin, thanks. I always forget to look for the binary packages specifically on AUR.
Ah compile… guess I’ll stick with regular Firefox. There are some magiks I don’t tamper with.
You don’t need to compile it. There’s a flatpak, and the AUR has a binary package
How is the flatpak system? I’ve never dug into it.
It’s really nice. It’s compatible with all Linux distros and it provides some configurable sandboxing via bubblewrap that you don’t get with other repos. The sandboxing is easilly configurable using a GUI like Flatseal.
I mean, if you’re intimidated by compiling you probably shouldn’t be using Arch to begin with.
(I’m hoping that you didn’t understand the “on AUR” part of the comment as well as the “dependencies” part, and actually use a more reasonable distro that isn’t subject to the issue @bobs_monkey is complaining about.)
You’re right. I don’t even know what Arch is to want to try and use it.
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Arch is a Linux distribution that intentionally requires a bunch of relatively-complicated manual steps to install, so “I use Arch BTW” has become a meme among people who want to brag about how ‘l33t’ they are.
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AUR is Arch’s package manager.
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A package manager is a software database that lets you easily install apps with a single command (e.g.
[tool-name] install [app-name]) along with all the software libraries they depend on (i.e. their ‘dependencies’), such that you only need one copy of each library no matter how many apps use it.
(Without a package manager, there are two other ways installing apps can work: either an app can come with its own copy of all its dependencies, which means it takes up a lot of disk space unnecessarily, or the user can be responsible for installing all the dependencies separately, which is a gigantic pain in the ass. Windows takes the former approach, while Linux, before package managers were invented, tended to do the latter because open-source software was distributed mostly as source code you had to compile and link yourself.)
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Guess, I will need to stop using Chrome unless I have no other option (I mostly use Firefox, but I occasionally use Chrome).
i use vivaldi for my school stuff. wonder if the v2 version of ublock will keep working. and the built in blocker in brave?
Now every public school that uses Chromebooks is going to have children get served ads on taxpayer dollars?
What could go wrong?
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pi-hole
At school?
The three schools I do IT work for ALL run Pi-Hole VMs.
Especially at school.
Ubiquity routers have had blocking in them it’s not a stretch to expand that out to other enterprise
Google’s Admin Console has an option to continue enabling Manifest V2 extensions. Most schools would be wise to lock down which extensions they let users install anyway, and the zero trust approach is to just deploy what’s needed for access to curriculum.
As if they didn’t already?
It’s a sad state of affairs modern schools have when an instructor tries to pull up a video on YouTube or other sites to use in class, and an entire classroom of children have to sit through the unskippable ads.
I guess I’ll take that over the TV documentaries my teachers used to record on VHS that had commercials to fast forward through, but the modern internet truly sucks.
Yup and a significant portion of those ads are definatly not school appropriate… From the mobile game ads that show a mostly naked lady, alcohol, soft-porn (chatbot type stuff), jump scares and whatever other crap google exempts from their “guidelines” for a quick buck.
The only (official) way to have all kid firendly ads is to use YouTube Kids, which also blocks all the usefull educational videos for anyone older than 4.
Gotta get em while they’re young, marketing execs drooling over the new wave of consumerist indoctrination!
It is a good point: other platforms [other than iOS] have an easy solution (Firefox), but on Chromebooks you’re relatively locked in because you have to jump through hoops installing the Linux environment in order to use it.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
"Users will be directed to the Chrome Web Store, where they will be recommended Manifest V3 alternatives for their disabled extension.
The most salient of these is the blocking version of the webRequest API, which is used to intercept and alter network traffic prior to display.
Under Manifest V2, it’s what extension developers use to stop adverts, trackers, and other content appearing on pages, and prevent certain scripts from running.
The new MV3 architecture reflects Google’s avowed desire to make browser extensions more performant, private, and secure.
Li acknowledged the issue by noting the ways in which Google has been responsive, by adding support for user scripts, for offscreen documents that have access to the DOM API, and by increasing the number of rulesets in the declarativeNetRequest API (the replacement for webRequest) to 330,000 static rules and 30,000 dynamics ones.
And by the beginning of 2025, when the API changes have been available for some time in the Chrome Stable channel, Manifest V2 extensions will stop working.
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Going to plug Cromite (a continuation of Bromite) for a great Chromium fork with built in adblocking, and no nonsense like Brave or whatever: https://github.com/uazo/cromite
Also great on Android (which it was originally developed for).
Forks maintained by a hero dev are less than ideal (and not sustainable TBH), but this is where we are…
Does Cromite have support for auto-filling from 3rd party password managers? When I last used Bromite, it couldn’t so I never ended up using it as my main browser
Yes, I use it with Bitwarden
Safari all the way
I still prefer Chrome over Firefox but I’ve been running Firefox for over a year now and won’t go back to Chrome because fuck Google. Also stopped using Google for searching and not being tracked is very very noticeable.
Tried using chromium based browser instead? You are not mainlined into Google that way. Vivaldi is absolutely great. It’s got way better baked in features than chrome which can reduce need for extensions and it has a strong commitment to pushing chromium as far as possible to be privacy conscious. Runs and syncs across Android and pc as well.
Those are all chromium based. They all are connected to google and will all have the manifest v3 change.
That is unless they will support v3 but keep some doors open for content blockers ( this is mozillas plan )Yes all chromium based browsers are chromium based. What do you mean by they are connected to Google? Yes Google provides the chromium code, but my Vivaldi browser isn’t connecting to Google servers or sending them anything
What i meant is that chromium is owned and managed by google. If chromium ( and therefor all chromium based browsers ) gets a change, they all do by default. Things like vivaldi or brave will get this change unless they specifically implement ways around it, which i dont think they will.
Though its way less than chrome, chromium still has links with google and has been found to ping google once in a while even though youre not using google.To be accurate, chrome in itself is a chromium based browser. Its chromium with google stuff slapped onto it.
Its because of this that i find the “but im using [chromium based browser here], so i wont be affected by change x” a false one, because they will.
“change unless they specifically implement ways around it, which i dont think they will.”
I’m sorry my friend, but I get the impression you are speaking from a perspective of ignorance.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/
I am corrected, thanks :) Im legit surprised they did anything towards the issue, so thanks for pointing it out.
That said, ad blocking is only a part of the problem and there are a lot of extensions that work on content loading in browsers that are going to be invalidated with the chromium update that an integrated ad blocking feature ( that i hope you can customise to your hearts content ) will not fix…This is great news, Vivaldi is my fav ‘side’ browser
Switch to Firefox.
yeah tge solution here is so simple, yet most people seem allergic to firefox.
I don’t on mobile because it’s way too slow.
But I guess that isn’t applicable to this post because mobile Chromium doesn’t have ublock anyway…
And on linux, I have firefox issues with wayland because of some Nvidia thing. Chromium too, but its less severe and I can actually get GPU acceleration working.
mobile Chromium doesn’t have ublock anyway…
Kiwi browser on Android is Chromium based & has had the ability to add extensions such as uBlock for years
Indeed, though I prefer skipping extensions on mobile because (as said above) native implementations tend to be faster and more power efficient.
Ublock is probably an exception though. It’s quite fast.
How is Firefox slow? What exactly are you using Firefox for on mobile? These are honest question, I don’t understand.
An old Snapdragon 845 phone, lol. A razer phone 2.
It just feels sluggish. Pages render slower, especially larger ones, and it eats more battery, especially with extensions like adblockers running.
It’s especially apparent because the RP2 is like the oldest 120hz phone. Bromite (aka chromium) feels like butter in comparison.
Same story for me on a OnePlus 5T which is the even older Snapdragon 835. Firefox is genuinely unusable. I tried Mull and Iceraven too. For several months I tried to put up with it, but they were all a slow and buggy mess. Switched to Brave and it works fine.
I use Librewolf on my desktop for the record.
They’re not wrong, benchmarks have been done on mobile firefox.
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-fastest-android-browsers-337802/
Firefox doesn’t lose every test, it even won one in the linked article, but chrome at least beats it in every other one and firefox comes in last several times.
It’s one thing to fail benchmarks, but another thing to be perceive so slow that you’d rather use chrome. Maybe I just have low standards in that regard.
Not to be the guy that deepthroats Mozilla or anything, but these benchmarks show it being at worst 1 second slower.
Like, Firefox really isn’t noticeably slower than other browsers in the vast majority of situations.
Like, Firefox really isn’t noticeably slower than other browsers in the vast majority of situations.
I imagine there is a bigger difference on older phones though. An imperceptable difference could easily become unbearable when the phone is a little outdated. I experience it at work using a slightly older PC on Windows 10.
You’re not wrong, but it should be noted that ‘at worst 1 second slower’ means a lot more when the fastest time is under 2 seconds. Saving 1 second is kind of a big deal when you only have 3 to work with. Closing that much of a gap would be a huge win for Firefox.
Also worth noting that many of the linked tests are also not directly based on time, and the difference in benchmarking is still fairly substantial. With the exception of the singular test that it came out on top on, the best case among these benchmarks is that firefox mobile is 15-20% slower than Chrome. These benchmarks even include Mozilla’s own Kraken benchmark (where it still comes in last among these results).
Lastly, do want to say that I hope mobile firefox can catch up on these, but they’ve got a lot of work to do and the odds are stacked against them.
Firefox on mobile has extensions. You can have whatever ad blocker you want. You can automatically replace pictures of trump with kittens. I’m sure there are other extensions that are useful too. I’ll take that over some negligible purported speed increase any day.
Once Firefox on mobile got extension support, I switched over immediately to use a decent adblocker. Made sure every app that opens a browser opens in Firefox. Has made my mobile browsing experience so much better, of my goodness.
I have serious video playing issues on Firefox. I thought it was ublock, so i tried turning it off but video and live streams still take forever to load they freeze, too. My computer is very powerful so that’s not the issue. No idea what is.
I am on Linux and Firefox works better than chrome for my system
That’s bizarre. I am also on Windows 10 and use Firefox as my primary browser, largely because I can stream DRM’d video sites (Netflix etc) to my friends on discord.
Sounds dumb, but have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? I might suggest also removing or disabling all extensions to see if that does anything.
You may want to try disabling DNS over https as that was causing similar issues for me https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-dns-over-https
I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!
Running Linux? Graphic drivers all updated and is FF updated?
Nah, im on windows 10, unfortunately.
Very strange what sites cause issues?
Youtube, mainly
Google is actively sabotaging for Firefox users.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38349357
Can’t list all the examples of this but they are a scumbag company.
Have you turned off Firefox’s built-in enhanced tracking protection? If not, turn it off but leave uBlock Origin on and see if that solves your issue.
drivers all up to date?
I guess there is an option to activate to read DRM content (it exists on librewolf, not sure if it is there on Firefox too). it is activated ?
I never left, because I’m not a sucker that fell for chromes marketing wank.
it wasn’t marketing wank. it was a significant performance difference. people forget Firefox 3.x but i remember. it was fireslug more like.
Exactly, i went from firefox to chrome because the performance. Got back to firefox a couple of years ago because the performance didn’t mather between those two.
I dunno man. I quickly learned to avoid Chrome at all costs because of the performance. Even when it was supposedly “good”, it was always a massive memory hog. Never had that issue with Firefox, and if it ended up taking a few seconds longer here and there to load a page, it would pale in comparison to the overall hit to the system from Chrome. Like being penny wise and pound foolish.
And donate too!! We have to keep Firefox going to protect our privacy and security.
Google is such a greedy group of jackasses. Using their browser monopoly to shore up their ad monopoly should be a crime.
Honestly this might be a good thing. It might push more users to Firefox causing more competition for Chrome/Chromium.
In my +5000 workforce org only chrome and edge are allowed in mdm…
Expect a bump in Firefox users.
Good thing I’ve always used Firefox.
Chrome always seemed more of a curiosity than something I needed to use. I never saw the need to switch from Firefox when Firefox did everything I wanted.
