It’s closer to $6.11. I do math :)
Yeah, I’ll tip you 20%, but I’ll be damned if I don’t round down because of your petty scam!
I’ve seen this out and about. It’s not uncommon.
Customer pays for product/service, and it’s the employer’s job the pay the employees. What the employer needs for this is his/her job to include in the price.
Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren’t entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
the idea of percentage based tipping is so wild to me, in my mind a tip is only based on the reason i want to tip them.
If they did an impressive job but just did their job then i’ll give them a euro or something, if they had to endure something miserable like cleaning up baby vomit then they get like 10 euro because god knows that’s what i’d need to stay on that job.Also, importantly, the tip is in cash and goes directly to the person i think deserves it, and i’m going to tell the worker that wink wink nudge nudge if the employer asks then i didn’t give them a tip.
Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
I’m not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it’s the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
Oh right i forgot about that. That’s insane as well; minimum wage should be… well, minimum, obviously; for everyone.
Sad thing is regular minimum is only $7.25 at the federal level. This country absolutely despises it’s workers.
That’s the true problem, federal minimum wage hasn’t changed in decades despite the inflation and costs over the years! That’s the true problem!
But nobody wants to work anymore!!!
/s
Cant wait for this meme to be 20k pixels tall with new screenshots when I die
Okay, this image would be better if it actually showed whatever article it came from, so we could verify the print and date. These could all be books printed in 2016 for all we know. But like I totally believe it.
Edit: I have the grammar of a 3rd grader
20% has actually been the norm for a while. Maybe it was a bit on the upper end a couple decades ago while now it’s more default, but I remember my parents tipping 20% for normal service back in the 90’s. Of course, with prices soaring tipping is still getting pricier and pricier, but the expected percentage here has been relatively stable.
The thing that’s out of control is where you’re expected to tip now. I often see a tip prompt come up at retail stores where the only service the employee provided was ringing up the items I brought. I never tip in those kinds of situations, and I doubt the employee would see any of it even if I did.
In California, I usually just double the tax, which normally comes out to about 16%.
I’m guessing the tip is calculated before any discounts/comps, which would be conspicuously cut off in this photo
Why would you calculate the tip before the final amount? And why would that incorrect amount be printed out for the customer?
It certainly shouldn’t be the default “pre-caluaclated” amount, but if I have a gift card or something, I’ll still tip based on the pre-discount.
Say the bill was $100 for a group of 4 and we use a $50 gift card, I’ll probably still tip the $20. Seems kinda scummy to only leave $10.
It’s a terrible system that exploits people. I can’t change the system, but I can do my part and tip someone fairly for the hour they’ve helped me out.
That would be quite optimistic, but this is something I’ve noticed at multiple restaurants myself. I saw the tip “suggestions” were not accurate so I checked to see what numbers they might have been using and tried the after tax amount etc, but nope the numbers are just inflated artificially. It’s happened with or without alcohol on the tab, with and without sale items, and I don’t ever really get anything “comped” unless it’s a sauce on the side or something. I wouldn’t say it’s a scam, but I did roll my eyes the first time I noticed it.
Tipping, specifically in the original context of restaurants, I will still do, simply because the government needs to change the minimum wage so that servers are included. They’re currently a protected group that is allowed to be paid far less than minimum wage, and they are supposed to make up the difference in tips.
In every other context, wow me and I’ll tip you, otherwise, don’t expect shit.
If you did your job as you are expected to do, then I don’t see why I need to tip.
It was always a dumb idea to pay servers LESS because they got tips. There was a time when tips were mostly cash and you didn’t have to claim them as income. But now that advantage is almost completely gone. And we should just end tipping. If you go out and don’t like the service then don’t go back. Just like it works with any other business.
You could easily get away with not claiming cash tips as income, that is.
Are you encouraging people to do a crime?
Tax evasion is serious you know!
… Nevermind that the IRS lacks resources to actually audit even the top 0.1% of earners to make sure they aren’t doing anything funky… Nevermind having the resources to audit any of the rest of us… It’s illegal!
No you cannot, you need to claim all, if not… that’s stealing!
Thank you! After all the comments and being a server I was starting to feel like I was going crazy!
Like you said, tip your servers accordingly and if not then don’t go the f out! Go through a drive thru instead!
And if you hate the tipping culture then try to change it! Don’t punish the servers for your selfish actions and beliefs for a service rendered! You don’t HAVE to be waited on… you chose that! So don’t choose to not tip that’s an asshole move and if you’re a regular even worse!
This is exactly me. I still tip you all. Even if the food sucked, I’m doing what I can to leave a tip.
I’d add a caveat for bad service, but honestly, I don’t think I’ve met a server yet that deserved to not be tipped (aka, paid fairly for their service).
If you suck at your job, you won’t have it very long. Server or not. Let’s let the system work the way it does for everyone else. Ban below minimum wage wages for servers.
Once that happens, I can happily never tip again.
Love you!! You are my perfect customer! But I agree, I always tip 10% and 20% for great service! I always tip even on take out since hosts have to ensure orders and box it up accordingly. But seriously, I agree, I live in MN so us servers are lucky but still, the tipping culture is out of control! You tip for take out and dine in… I shouldn’t have to tip a person during a fast food order which EVERYTHING IS ALREADY FUCKING COOKED! You ain’t doing shit but warming up that shitty food (I don’t eat). Why would anyone fucking tip?! American tipping culture is going to shit since no one is getting paid the wages entitled…
America is trash and can’t even get to 250 years while other countries have 1000s under their belts! It’s fucking embarrassing!
Fast food workers generally get minimum wage at least, so tipping shouldn’t be required or expected there. It’s mostly servers at restaurants as far as I know.
When I know that the workers are paid less than minimum, I’m pretty much always tipping unless you’re grossly negligent or you are actively mean. You can have a bad disposition, that’s fine. Everyone has bad days, I’ll still tip as long as you’re not directing your unhappiness at me. I just got here, I’m not the thing you’re mad at, so please don’t treat me like I am.
If tipping goes away tomorrow, I’ll be happy. Not just for my pocket book and the pain and frustration I feel staring at menus trying to up all the prices by 15-20% so I know what I’ll actually be paying, but for the workers actually making a decent wage.
We also need to address minimum wage issues, but that’s another matter entirely and affects a much larger group of people.
I agree, in MN we get paid pretty well as servers but agree some restaurants do this MOSTLY CHAINS, I am in a mom and pop and they haven’t raised prices in 2 years even after the fiasco of egg prices going crazy and then Drumpf saying he’ll bring him down which never happened. We never raise our prices… so people should also make that realization.
But thank you for understanding the fucked up system of tipping, I quit my teaching job because I make almost 3X as much with 1/2 the hours and that’s sickening! And then you have the servers complaining about how other people have better tips, it’s so much drama!
But I thank you for tipping honestly, a lot of people do not understand the importance of take out or serving in a restaurant and if they don’t get it… they need to watch the moving “Waiting”. Not saying I would do anything in that moving but others def will… so basically, don’t fuck with the people who serve you food…
whenever I see a “suggested tip for your inconvenience” I feel the urge to research (aka google) their reported earnings for the last economical year, calculate their profit margin and write that in the tip line and to pay their employees better instead of trying to shift the costs onto the customers with scammy guilty conscience. Fuck establishments like that, especially those who are then trying to conceive you ONTOP of the already bs tips
The whole tip thing is a scam to begin with.
If your employees rely on tips to meet months end, your business model is shit.
This may be anecdotal, but I ran into this exact same issue a few weeks ago. The suggested 20% was significantly higher than the 20% on the bill. It took me a little bit to figure out, but we were at the restaurant for a steak special and happy hour. The 20% tip was for the non-special price. For example, the steak and two sides special was $18, but the normal price was $28. The drinks were $5 but the normal price was $8. So the suggested tip was 20% of $36, not 20% of $23. These aren’t the exact numbers, and there were two of us, but you get the idea. The POS/Tip suggestion is setup so the servers don’t get the shit end of the stick when the restaurant is doing a deal/special. I’m not sure I fully agree with it, and I have my own beef with tipping culture in general, but I’m just looking to explain what might be seen in OP’s photo.
It’s not hard to include a disclaimer tip prices based on full price if that’s the case to avoid looking bad.
Understood, but not my problem. If it says 20%, it should be 20%. For trying to pull shit like this it is going to be a 0% from me.
I don’t know if Groupon is still a thing, but at its peak there were posts online on a regular basis from wait staff who got stiffed, because customers would tip based on the balance they owed after the 90%+ discount Groupon voucher.
It was probably the percentage BEFORE a discount was given… just because a discount happens doesn’t mean you should skip out on the tip of a server… example, you have a $100 bill with a $50 discount, you DO NOT TIP ON THE DISCOUNT, you tip on THE TOTAL bill of service. You still all got the same amount of food and service, so stop with this short tipping staff!
Can’t afford a tip then don’t fucking go to a damn restaurant! I make more as a server with half the hours than when I was a full time teacher! America is fucked but don’t fuck fellow people over because you can’t comprehend the tipping culture and are a cheap POS!
In your experience what percentage of people tipped $0 or far less than 20%?
Honestly, people in my community are amazing! I get well over 20% most of the time, very rarely will I get $0 tips and honestly it’s from teenagers or young adults who shouldn’t be “dining in” if they don’t have a tip after food costs! (Go fast food or take out, don’t punish me because you don’t have money for a tip!)
Other than this one mid age douche that comes in every other week and orders like $40-50 worth of food and NEVER tips! I ignore his table if I am busy. People pay me for food and SERVICE and if I know you aren’t going to tip me, I ain’t going to provide the best service!
The problem is that because of the way it’s written, it ends up being misleading.
If there was a simple disclaimer like “tip based on non-discounted prices”, it would’ve been fine.
I agree but also, that’s common sense… just because your bill was discounted doesn’t mean you discount my tip, you still got all the food and great service, so wtf! I don’t get how people are still confused, tipping in America has been a thing for decades!
Still potentially misleading. If the receipt doesn’t say anything about the discount (which is not clear because we can’t see what’s above the total), then you can’t tell. Again, a simple disclaimer should be enough. If there are things like “please open box before eating pizza”, then this shouldn’t be a problem.
If you’re a regular at the place, you might know about the specials. If you just walk in one time and you don’t see a label, a receipt like this will be misleading if it doesn’t state the discounts and tip bases.
It common sense, tip off TOTAL bill NOT discounted prices, you got the same service and food so… tip accordingly of TRUE amount. It’s not “misleading” it’s a true fact, tip based of total.
Like I said before, you get $100 worth of drinks with a discount of half off so $50, you do NOT tip off $50. You got $100 worth of drinks and services so tip off that! Don’t like it, don’t go out. Don’t agree, then create a bill and call your govt reps, do not punish fellow humans because you “don’t agree”. We are all just trying to live. If anything, make your own food at home and there you go, NO TIP NEEDED… but no, you came out to get waited on therefore, provide tips accordingly, we are not just at the restaurant for pleasure…
As I said, it’s not evident at all if those are full or discounted prices, so in the latter case it’s a misleading number.
Anyway, I don’t live in a place with broken wages and tipping system, so I don’t have to deal with problems like this. Where I am wait staff gets adequate wages and tips are only a bonus on top of that.
Don’t live here… never worked in USA food system… no opinion… I would gladly trade a month to month situation like wife swap… it’s more like American swap… then you will fucking know the shit we deal with! Including getting taxed like 30-40% while billionaires pay little to nothing. You up for it, we can trade lives for a month!
This may be a “hot take” but the service staff is employed by the restaurant, not me. It’s not my job to pay the employees of the restaurant. It’s the owners and employers job to pay the staff. I want to know the price of the thing I’m buying when I order it, not after taxes are added and in some places a “cost of living” fee on top of that. Them to expect the customer to pay even more on top of all the extra bs fees the house charges instead of just increasing the price of the food. No thanks
You’re right. Not sure why you’d be down voted, other than if people found your conclusion a bit heavy.
Thank you!! They didn’t like my responses as a fellow server former teacher! I make more with half the hours as a server than a full time teacher, that’s savage and what’s truly wrong with America! Don’t like the tipping culture than don’t go out, it’s not that fucking hard. Don’t punish servers for your beliefs! I just don’t get people. Why downvote me when I am providing my first hand experiences?
Tipping is a holdover from slavery. It’s a way to control service workers.
This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t tip people who rely on tips, it means the system is fucking broken by design.
Tips are a big reason I stopped going out. Everybody wants one.
Every single time I see a fucking Square cash register… One of these motherfuckers:
Every single time I see that piece of shit, I know I’m about to hear the “it’s just going to ask you a few questions” line. And those “few questions” will be asking me to tip 25 goddamned percent on something that I’ve never tipped for before.
Fuck tips. 0 tips. Pay your people.
You pay for the service of being waited on… don’t want to tip… then go to McDonald’s! wtf! 🤬
Do you tip for the service for customer tech support or similar customer facing industries as well?
No, your comment is asinine and completely irrelevant, when you call tech support for example, Apple or AT&T, you are already paying their damn salaries with the bill you pay each month (plus they get paid more an hr-duh).
You don’t pay my salary when you come in dine at my table for hours and eat like $200 worth of food and provide NO tip! You occupied my table knowing others could come in and give me a better tips, that’s the difference!! You clearly haven’t worked in the food industry before.
I have! But in a civilized country, not the USA. I do pay your salary when I go to the restaurant, yes. You are paid by the restaurant only because people go there and eat. Your salary is literally dependant on people ordering food. It is the service you provide, you are not a fucking independent contractor that I have personally hires to serve my table lol. You are on the restaurant’s payroll, same as tech support is on whatever company’s payroll. No tips for one, no tips to the other. A techy gets paid the same whether they spend 5 hours on a ticket and licks the customer’s dick, or if they spend one hour and are complete asses.
It’s not a “service”. All I want from the staff is to tell them what I want to order and to bring the food. That’s all. I don’t see what extra “service” I’m supposedly paying for
I like prompt refills. I’m happy to tip for that.
If I was your server, I would get you!! Never would be empty! Usually half full is when I ask if they want another.
the restaurant pays for their staff… should you pay for having a table and chair too? staff is a basic requirement of a restaurant
Welcome to America where tipping culture is a thing, don’t like it, get take out and fuck off!
Is there an option to pick up my own food at the counter? I’d gladly do it.
Yes, it’s call take out. But still employees have to put the order together, bag it, and ensure everything is 100%, so def should tip them something!
I don’t tip for take out I have to pick up myself. But tipping culture here in The Netherlands is vastly different than the US. We basically only tip in restaurants, and only if the service was really good. Most people don’t tip for bad or average service.
Yeah, a lot of people don’t tip for take out, but who do you think makes and puts together your order for a nice restaurant take out? (I work for a Sushi and Steakhouse). Sadly, we have to and ensure orders are right and still don’t get tipped. It’s not a McDonald’s (we have many other options and temps of food, etc.). You came to a nice restaurant for take out and we ensure all is well, we had to put together your order and ensure all food is correct, it’s vastly different than a fast food drive thru. Yes, you had to pick it up but we still had to put the order together and ensure all the fine food is correct. If that makes sense, it’s different.
We don’t just heat up a cooked burger patty and put it on a bun and shove you through a drive thru, it’s 100% different. You came to a sushi steakhouse with different orders and temps of foods with modifications very different than the standard “take out”.
Basically, America just needs to pay the employees vs tips but that’s not changing. I was a teacher for years but with the recent political drama and parents shoving their kids to iPads with no respect I left and found out I am making almost 3X a month as a server than a teacher, that’s savage!
The answer is in your last sentences, employers should just pay a livable wage (mandated by the government really). In your first paragraph, all the things you explain to me are just part of the job. Nobody is going above and beyond to give me a better service/experience, it’s literally just people doing their jobs. In non hospitality services, people don’t get tipped for doing their job either, right? I’ve never seen anyone tip a nurse, teacher, police officer, etc.
The whole tipping culture in the US is such a wild concept. In that aspect, I’m glad that we here in The Netherlands don’t have that culture (yet), that we are not expected to tip and that we only tip great hospitality. But meanwhile the times are changing, we also see a “leave tip” prompt more often and it is really starting to annoy me. I’ll decide if I want to tip, no need to shove it in my face, especially not considering people make a living wage without tips anyways.
So you living somewhere else your opinion is noted, but you have no idea how we have to live over here… as a teacher I quit to make almost 3X more a month as a server… so unless you live here… . No comment.
That’s like women complaining about childbirth and men coming to try to compare… NO UTERUS NO OPTION… same…
DON’T live in America… no opinion. It’s noted but unless you live a day in our trash ass lives… NOPE!
I’m all for refusing to tip, but be up-front about it. Let the server know ahead of time that you won’t be tipping. Hell, let the manager (or if it’s a smaller place, the owner) know too, so you can actually get your opinion heard by someone who may be able to effect change. Make it clear that your refusal to tip is not a reflection of the server, but a protest against tipping culture.
Hell, while talking to the manager, you should also ask if they require servers to tip out the back-of-house staff. If you’re refusing to tip, it’s entirely possible that your server is losing money on your order, because they’re required to pay the kitchen a percentage of your bill. If the server is required to tip out, be clear that you want your bill excluded from the tip out, since you’re refusing to tip based on strongly held personal beliefs. If the manager protests or says it isn’t possible (it is possible, but they’ll lie to try to get you to tip), then they can serve you personally.
You’ll still get served, but it’ll be with the level of service that the waiter thinks you should get, rather than with the level of service that you think you deserve. If you’re going to refuse to tip, at least take the mask off and be honest so your server can do the same.
If you’re willing to do that, then more power to you. Believe it or not, many servers will be chill about it, and treat you the same as any other customer. Especially if you’re there when it’s slow, and they don’t need to tip out the back of house staff. They’re not losing any money by serving you, and they aren’t super busy so they have no reason to ignore you. But if you’re afraid to be honest because you might get worse service, then you’re just a scab who is leeching from the tipping culture and only hurting the working class.
Wait so you get scammed but still give 20% tips? This would be an automatic 0% tip
You think the wait staff setup the machine to do math wrong?
yes?
No, that would be the owner or the manager. The best thing to do is never go back and tell everyone you can that they try to rip people off.
Holding the owner responsible for their actions? Sorry chief best I can do is scream at the meakest looking waiter I can find until the police escort me out.
Yeah, what’s likely happening here is that the Tip numbers were told to calculated off the subtotal intentionally. So say you buy a “happy hour” drink and it is $3 instead of $6, they tip is calculated before the “discount”.
Their machine could have actually been wrong, but using a total before discounts seems more likely.
On the surface, I can understand this. It’s not the server’s fault that they got the happy hour rush when everything is 50% off. If anything, they had to work harder because it was busier. Why punish them for that extra work with lower tip calculations? The drinks aren’t any easier or faster to pour just because they’re half off. It should at least be transparent, but I at least understand the reasoning.
What does bug me is when the tip calculations are based on the after-tax total. Fuck that, I’m already getting taxed 10% on this, you don’t need your 18% calculated from that extra 10%.
I’ll meet you half way, we’ll not suggest you pay tips on taxes, but you will pay a $2.99 dining room fee to use our facilities. You can avoid this by doing pick up with a $1.99 convenience fee.
No deal.
*Goes to the place across the street with no BS fees.
Perfect, then I don’t waste my time, table, and food waiting on someone who won’t tip vs someone who will.
I agree if you don’t like it, don’t go there, stop punishing others based off your beliefs.
“punishing others based off your beliefs”
Lmao, the sense of entitlement from this one…
“ punishing others based on your beliefs”
Said Osama bin Laden when he planned to fly planes into American buildings… and every other Muslim who supported his attack on Americans… (entitlement?)
“Based on beliefs”, can mean more than what you think… I meant if you don’t believe in tipping culture then fucking don’t that’s your belief but don’t punish servers due to that… basically, just fuck straight off… golden rule, don’t fuck with people who serve you food…
Watch the movie “Waiting” and then get back to me…
I don’t really follow this reasoning, so a drink cost X but you calculate Y because at other times it costs Y.
So if you go to a cheap restaurant you increase your tip because the restaurant next door has higher prices? The staff in the cheap restaurant works just as hard, maybe harder.
This whole tip thing need to die ASAP. If everybody just stopped tipping staff would get a normal pay or a better paying other job. But if you don’t tip, how do you show appreciation?? Well, do you tip your wife when she does something nice for you?? No, so people can show appreciation without money.
Wow! Servers are providing a service of waiting on you when you could have made your own food at home without “tipping” your wife. That comparison is asinine and doesn’t belong in your comment. Vastly different!
And the previous commenter stated just because you got $100 worth of half off drinks so $50, you shouldn’t tip off the $50. Drinks were the same, service was the same, etc. just because you have a discount doesn’t mean you had “discounted” service therefore, should still tip off the TOTAL BEFORE DISCOUNTS!
I agree tipping culture needs to die but in America where I was a teacher for years and now make more money as a server with half the hours shows the broken systems of America. Something has to change and not tipping your server isn’t going to do anything but hurt a fellow human trying to just get by like themselves!
Want change? Go to the govt, create a bill, talk to reps for your state, but stop punishing servers for your selfish beliefs and actions! Don’t like it, don’t go out! Want change, then do it!
Go to the govt? Really? In Japan there is no tipping culture, in fact a tip is seen as an insult. Do you really think that has anything to do with their government? Well maybe the exception is that the US allows this BS by not having a decent minimum wage for any job.
Second you completely ignore parts of my response, so if you need to tip the full amount, why is is fair to tip lower at a cheaper restaurant? These people work just as hard.
But let’s go even deeper, you say I’m selfish because these people provide a service? So what? My mailman provides a service, the roadworker that fixed the road I use every day provides a service? Why is tipping even a thing? I need to pay extra for someone doing the job they got hired for?
Wow! I can’t even get into this since you are in Japan and never would understand, even if you wanted to, we can switch lives for a month then you can understand how fucked up the US is with providing for their citizens.
But you would know the most since US fucked your country over the with your surprise attack on Pearl Harbor then we “A bombed” you, (don’t agree) but you out of everyone should know how fucked up America truly is…
Also, PUBLIC SERVIANTS are state owned workers with benefits and pensions… servers have NOTHING of the sort… but I also give them a Christmas gift because I feel bad, but legit get paid more than me so again, not the same! They have state benefits and pensions, we relay on people to be GREAT people to tip for service. If you don’t want that service go thru McDonald’s and fuck off!
I’m not from Japan, I’m from Europe. I understand how fucked up the US is for regular hard working people. That is why those people should be paid a living wage, not depend on the kindness of people tipping. This entire system needs to be replaced, and it can start from either the government or people refusing to tip. If people stop tipping wages are going up, or restaurants basically can’t find people willing to do it anymore.
