• DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world
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    5 个月前

    When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.

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      He was a former president. The prosecution would never have gone to trial without a watertight case.

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        Sure, but I still didn’t expect the jury to be unanimous and especially not on all counts. Glad they were though :-)

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      In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.

        • IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world
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          I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…

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            We’ll see on July 11th, but most likely it’s going to be some symbolic fine or gesture, but we’re not seeing this geriatric, senile old man who is also a former president, go to prison, where he would likely die as the country faces massive terrorist attacks and uprisings of dumbasses with deadly weapons, no judge in the country would do that no matter their political leaning if they at all took their job seriously and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books.

            House arrest may be an option but that would be seen as a political attack because it would stop him from campaigning and that would go straight to supreme court, which we know how that would turn out. Judges know all this, their hands are pretty much tied.

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              Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc? Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes. If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already. It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.

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                I’m saying that people in positions of leadership, from judges to attorneys are not going to want to take that chance and be the ones responsible on even the remote chance that there’s any kind of civil unrest. This is regardless of the actual chances of anything happening, it’s about liability not probability.

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                  I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.

                  They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.

                  To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?

                  So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.

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                Everyone likes to circlejerk about revolution or whatever, but for 99.9% of people in developed countries, life is too good to put it on the line.

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              Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.

              Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.

              But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.

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                Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.

                Okay I’m not against this and never said I was, I’m simply saying that this outcome where Trump goes to prison isn’t going to happen and you’re going to have to deal with it. Everyone is. That’s all. You can’t make this happen, our collective voice will not make this happen. People are getting some weird sense of unrealistic entitlement about this verdict.

                The world doesn’t work the way we want and if we could all just get that through our skulls we would make better political choices and actually start focusing on what matters which is community action and organization in your local communities and districts, the places that support, prop-up and create the political theater that we wish would go away.

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                  The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.

                  And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?

                  I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.

            • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
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              and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books

              So what you’re saying is he’s definitely going to prison.

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              If your hands are tied by the corruption of others, make them do the corruption, don’t just preemptively do it for them.

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    Sadly “justice has prevailed” is a little premature, because he probably won’t do any time and will just have to pay a fine; and probably a mediocre one at that. Justice would be him serving the rest of his life in prison, but that probably won’t happen.

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    Good now that he’s a convicted felon he can’t run for president just like you can’t vote, right? …right? Fuck this system.