haha but wait, I thought they wanted Americans to die…
EDIT: dunno why, but because Beehaw, I can’t actually see the comment below. So I’ll answer here…
Beehaw defederated from a lot of the bigger instances because someone hurt their feelings or whatever. So now you miss out on the majority of lemmy content including comments. I would suggest creating an account with a different instance so that you can experience the entirety of the community.
Beehaw has defederated from instances they felt were not meeting a minimum standard of moderation and healthy, good faith discussion. Beehaw’s whole shtick is to maintain a platform where its users can be(e) kind and expect others to behave similarly.
It is genuinely baffling to me how people can see beehaw curating their instance this way and go “feewings” and “beehaw bad”.
If people want to be part of a limited community that’s fine and well. The issue I have is that a lot of people joining lemmy don’t know what beehaw is about and join it just because it’s a name they’ve maybe heard of. Then they’re completely unimpressed by lemmy, not knowing they’re only part of a fraction of the federation. Next thing they’re back on reddit or whereever.
Also, as someone with access to the majority of lemmy instances, I’ve only ran into maybe a handful of assholes on here. I’m really not sure what beehaw is trying to shelter it’s users from. It’s easy enough to block someone on the rare occasion.
Its incredibly difficult to join beehaw without knowing what its about. When you apply to join they explain what it is and ensure that you’re actually, like, on board with the mission. I can understand the sentiment of users finding themselves underwhelmed and leaving if they don’t understand why.
As someone with accounts on other instances, I’ve definitely encountered far more bigotry and bad faith arguments off-beehaw than on-beehaw. For some people, which would appear to include you, encountering the asshole and blocking and moving on is sufficient, and that’s fine and awesome for them. But for others who may be part of marginalised communities or particularly vulnerable, the bubble of safety and curation that beehaw offers is so tremendously valuable.
Ok, sounds like they’ve made it a lot more clear since the reddit exodos which is the last time I’ve had any interaction with beehaw. That’s good then.
There are way more Chineese than Americans.
Type I diabetes has absolutely nothing to do with weight, it’s a disorder of the pancreas that’s mostly genetic. The rates of all forms of diabetes taken together in China and the US are almost the same. I’m sorry if this science flew over your head yo
Its worse the that. Many think now it is reversed. As T2 is a resistance to insulin. And without insulin you cannot gain energy from your diet. It is now commonly accepted that those prown to t2 diabetes are often forced to eat due to the body gaining less energy from food.
So being genetically prown to to can lead to weight gain prior to diagnosis. Rather then weight gain leading to to t2d.
And it will be provided for free to anyone who needs it, right? Right?
In China, possibly. In the US, not before there is a revolution. In France, not after years in Parliament and seeing 3 to 5 physicians
In Cuba, yes. Capitalist country? Maybe no
Most capitalist countries still have universal heath care…
Are you including the periphery in that statement?
The what?
The periphery. Basic term if you’ve read anything serious on capitalism and how it functions in the world.
Right. So what does it mean?
Countries within the capitalist system which are underdeveloped through violence and coercion in order to be able to extract a higher surplus value extraction to constant capital ratio for capitalists is the gist of it.
Please let me know if there are any terms or concepts I should break down further. (Earnest)
You have to agree to pay a 2000$/year subscription for Life™ after taking this medicine.
So, taxes?
Certainly not in the US of A… but the rest of the world may have a chance if this actually pans out
Only outside USA.
Hey, don’t forget Yemen, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Sudan!
A fine group to belong to, we can all agree.
Banned for national security
Free + $46,000 in Ch-China tariffs.
Destroy corporate healthcare by curing diabetes.
idk sounds a bit sus
What sounds sus about it?
As a lay-person, it seems kind of light on details and a bit fanciful. The article states they created pancreatic islet seed cells, but fails to link how exactly this cures diabetes. (I’m assuming these cells create the insulin.)
Another point is this seems to fly in t he face of what we’ve been told for decades, that diabetes can now be cured and not just managed. (I personally don’t have a problem with this, everything is impossible until it becomes possible.)
The biggest issue I see is that this cured one person. Diabetes is a fairly common condition, they shouldn’t have had a problem getting more participants in a study.
I believe that it states somewhere that it was a case study or a proof of concept. Which is a common approach to interventions (medical or otherwise) that are difficult, expensive, and time consuming. If you can find a way to get it to work then maybe it’s worth expanding and finding more efficient/effective ways of implementing the intervention.
- the scientists not mentioned
- it not being talked about how it works at all
- it being limited to one person only
- it comming out of china
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-024-00662-3
I think sinophobia may have gotten the best of you. The study is published in Nature, definitely not a Chinese journal (if this is important to you). Which means the scientists, and institutions are readily accessible, and you can read the paper describing how it works.
Not OP but thanks for sharing a good link.
Technically it is not a cure for type 2. But a repair to further damage caused by a life of type 2.
The type 2 diabetic is still insulin resistant after this treatment. It is just some of the harm that resistance dose to their islet cells. Makeing them partly mimic type 1 diabetes with reduced insulin production. Can be rebuilt with stem cells.
The patient will still need to eat and manage carbs as a well treated type 2 must. To avoid having issues.
CHYNAHH!
Hm, 5 year old journal, with the editor board, funding and half of the authors all from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but significant hospital contribution. I remain skeptical of the headline but hopeful of the science.
Well if it’s real, it will be a no brainer Nobel prize, so it certainly won’t be the last we hear of it in that case.
strong competition with the teeth regrowing guy
but i think diabetes is more important than missing teeth lol
I mean even though the CAS is a state organization of China, they do still put out real science. they have real researchers working with and for them. I’m honestly more concerned about what they don’t put out than what they do.
For sure, I just get antsy when peer review doesn’t come from from external sources
As you should. I think thats an important part of the process.
I do hope that the science is true, but the website doesn’t seem to be credible when it comes to news reporting https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/
theres a lot of other places reporting on this, and a scientific paper in nature. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-02/breakthrough-in-diabetes-treatment-research/103278156
Type 2, since the article doesn’t say.
Isn’t type 2 the one that effects massively more people?
Iirc type 2 is acquired diabetes, type 1 is the one you get from birth, so yes.
A lot of people actually don’t get diabetes type 1 when they are born but later in life
It’s actually for both types according to the articles in Nature
Yeah but the person “cured” had type 2.
There might be applications for type 1, but that’s speculation.
The articles suggest that it may be beneficial for Type 1, but that’s unconfirmed. The nature of early-stage clinical trials is that people don’t really know how things will work. That’s the point of the trials.
Important to know. Reading on how it works on the article, I wonder if it could be used for type 1, likely in combination with some kind of drug therapy to prevent the body from just killing the new islet cells.
New trade restrictions coming soon on Chinese pharmaceuticals.
True. How could it be a free market if corporations are not allowed to form a cartel and agree on a price for a product that is literally vital for many people?
‘Further studies are needed for validation.’ Understatement of the year
I’m hopeful but wary. Medical science keeps being the one thing left in this world that consistently makes me happy to be alive in modern times. This would be a great breakthrough.
So this is neat. Potentially life changing for some type 2 diabetics, but that depends because some t2 diabetics are not failing to make enough insulin, they’re just no longer sensitive to it at a level that makes it functional for them. I suppose it’s possible that this therapy could cause them to grow enough islet β cells to overcome their lack of sensitivity, but (and I’m a type 1, not a type 2, so maybe my info is incorrect here) that lack of sensitivity can grow with further exposure to insulin making this a stop-gap at best for those cases absent other therapies.
…and with all of that said, being able to regrow islet β cells has never really been the problem for type 1 diabetes. You can regrow all the islet β cells you’d like and it’s not going to cure the underlying immune disease that has caused your immune system to kill off all of your islet β cells to begin with. Unless you can figure out why t1 diabetes causes one’s own immune system to go psycho killer on their islet β cells, you’ve done nothing to “cure” diabetes. Without being able to suppress that impulse for your immune system to murder your own cells, any ability to replace the islet β cells is going to be temporary at best, and probably a waste on the whole.
My brother in law is a “cured” type 1 diabetic, by virtue of his having had a kidney replacement and being on immune suppressing drugs for that. Since they were already replacing the kidney and he was going to have to take immune system suppression medications for that, they also just replaced his pancreas at the same time and the suppression of his immune system has allowed the new pancreas to thrive and continue to make insulin. Easy-peasy. The only trade-off is that he is super immunocompromised and can be killed by common colds, so not a great strategy in general.
Mexico developed the cure many centuries ago. First you tie the person to a large log. Then smaller logs are placed around the person. Oh man I forgot what you’re supposed to do with the tinder and matches. But some research could help. It cures all sorts of stuff. Not good for burns or preexisting death from what I gathered.
big if true
Remember, it was the Chinese labs that also reproduced the room temperature super conductor experiment a few years ago and also found their own material…and then it all turns out to be complete bullshit.
One patient doesn’t mean anything. It’s great if it’s real (having worked directly with China for engineering, I have zero faith this is even a real thing) but there is a lot of reason to doubt at this point.
Side effects include a craving for crumbs.
You stay away from my crumbs, crumb grabber.
Curing diabetes is not in the shareholders’ best interests.
I mean it is… They could literally have a cure that they can sell to millions of people around the world, as well as millions more who will contract diabetes in the future.
I don’t understand this conspiracy and companies don’t want cures. I can understand scepticism around pharmaceutical companies for all the awful shit they’ve done, but it doesn’t mean that scientists and researchers will never be able to produce cures.
Pharma investors have a solid position and are already racking big profits from the continuous model of insulin treatments. A cure would be a detriment to their profits, so it’s not something they’re interested in funding.
No investor nowadays thinks a one-time-payment product is worthwhile. We’re already way past that.
This isn’t to mention that if you were an investor who decided you wanted to go ahainst that, that the other mega corporations (with more funds than most of those 5% individuals) wouldn’t engage in anti competitive practices to shut you down. Many companies had good products but still ultimately failed. I mean hell, the boeing events have shown us the lengths a corporation is willing to go to protect its profits, and that’s just what we heard of.
Unfortunately capitalism does not allow innovation to flourish like many of us were taught to believe.
I don’t exactly subscribe to the conspiracy but I can understand it as it’s related to “planned obsolescence.” Companies don’t want to sell you a quality product that will last “forever” they want to sell you something that’s just good enough to work for a bit, but will absolutely break or be replaced very soon so you become a repeat customer as opposed to a one time customer.
The same logic applies here with the medication, why would they sell something once even if there were new future customers, if they could instead have everyone on a “subscription” of sorts?
The conspiracy exists because we see it play out in every other facet of our society/economy. Everything is becoming a subscription, you don’t own anything, every product a corporation makes is almost complete garbage, etc… I’m not sure I believe it 100% but I wouldn’t in the slightest bit be surprised to find out that actually was the case.
There is no grand secret conspiracy. Why? The more people involved in a conspiracy, the more likely it will leak out. A conspiracy between two people may never get it, a conspiracy between a hundred people will have someone slip up in a few years at most, but an international conspiracy involving millions of people with disparate interests wouldn’t stay secret for a second.
What we’re seeing isn’t a conspiracy as such. It’s a conversation happening in the open about “business models” and “revenue streams”. It’s also based on customer expectations. There are definitely markets out there for the repairable, buy it for life goods, but there’s just not nearly as big as the customer who upgrades their phone every two years. But obviously that’s going to be different for diabetes. Reliably being able to repair pancreatic cells would be huge. If the companies selling insulin tried to internally stifle research to avoid cannibalizing their insulin business, other companies have an enormous incentive to take a crack at it.
Yeah and there are other parts of the world where researchers search for stuff like this too. If it works it will being fame and money to the inventors and then the drug exists and can ve sold.
Does this logic apply in China?
Maybe I will eat that quart of ice cream today…
