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  • ttmrichter@lemmy.worldtoAnarchism@lemmy.ml•Those still shielding from Covid have far less trust in government, research findsEnglish
    12·
    9 months ago

    Dude. I LIVE IN FUCKING WUHAN and have done so since 2003. I gave you the warning in advance that you were talking to boots on the ground and not to try to push bullshit past me.

    You tried to push bullshit past me.

    Aside from the first six weeks or so of utter confusion (and, yes, corruption in Wuhan’s political leadership¹ with some in cahoots with Hubei’s health authorities²), the response was quick, efficient, and effective. Even in those six weeks of confusion, well, I was getting alerts on my phone about a “novel respiratory disease” that “may be a risk” via emergency alerts on my phone starting on December 11th, 2020. Was the handling of things in Wuhan in those six weeks good? No. But still they managed to outdo New York, who had plenty of warning of what was coming and chose to do nothing. Considering that Wuhan was ground zero in a viral nuke launched by complete surprise (at the worst conceivable time of year, no less, with the largest human migration in the world already ramping up), I’m amazed at how low the body count actually was.

    Except actually I’m not. After the two-month lockdown (a real one, not the cosplay ones all y’all had in the Americas and Europe), the masking mandates, the regular testing (for most of 2020 it was once every two days, for 2021 they relaxed that to as far as once a week unless outbreaks were detected, then by late 2022 it was back up to once every three days before they finally decided to “let 'er rip”), etc. all interacted such that when outbreaks happened they were stopped dead in their tracks, with individual buildings being locked down as they refined their technique instead of the whole city, or huge districts, or neighbourhoods. If you lock down, test, and react quickly, you keep the body count down. Who knew!? (Hint: anybody with a brain cell.)

    That being said, the rest of what you cite is total bullshit. Cremation services did not “run out of space”. (Someone doesn’t understand how cremation works apparently.) What happened is the usual bullshit of the “free” press: a rumour is heard and passed along as breathless fact. Someone heard a crematorium running at an unusual time (likely reason: using the chance to clean it out while there was no business coming in). That someone told someone else who told someone else, each step getting more embellished until someone’s shooting up a pizza place because the non-existent basement supposedly has kids being molested.³

    Let’s do some basic arithmetic. A million people, give or take, died in the USA over the course of COVID-19. That’s 1 in 350. If we assume that an average person has a circle of 20 acquaintances (a ludicrously low assumption), that means about a 6% chance that one of your circle has died, and it is virtually guaranteed that a “friend of a friend” has died. If your circle is larger than 20 (which it pretty much is guaranteed to be unless you’re a hermit: most people have more than 20 friends + family + coworkers + … in their lives), the numbers get larger. If your circle is 50, that’s a 14% chance one of your circle has died and it’s pretty much expected to have 7 deaths in your “friend of a friend” range.

    I was a teacher here for 16 years before shifting back to tech work. My circle from all over China, kept in touch with all over social media because that’s just the way things are done here, is well over 2000. Not 20. Not 200. 2000 or more. So let’s go with 2000. If China had a death rate as high as the USA’s (and it’s an article of faith among the humiliated white world that it’s far higher because they can’t stand the fact that brown-skinned people outperformed them so badly!), I would be very likely to personally know about 5-6 deaths. And indirectly, assuming everybody else has only 20 in their circle, I would very likely know about ~114 deaths. If we assume 50 for the latter, it would be about ~285 deaths.

    And here’s the funny thing. I only know about two deaths by COVID-19. None of them in my circle, both in “friend of a friend” circles. Funnier still: both of those deaths are in the west (one in Germany, one in Canada), where my circle has been shrinking in the over 20 years since I started living here.⁴

    Here’s the other thing: there was about 50,000 expats (mostly Americans and Brits) living in China over COVID-19. Many of them have returned to their home countries since. Where are the stories from them, who are not beholden to the CPC in any way, shape, or form, and over whom the Chinese government has no leverage, talking about the piles of bodies they had to climb over to buy food or whatever? Pretty fucking silent that quarter. Almost as if … your narrative is complete bullshit.

    But go ahead and reassure yourself that you’re not the one wearing clown pants on the world stage by lying to yourself. That won’t go even slightly bad with the next pandemic.

    ¹ One of the reasons the response lagged upon identification of an unfamiliar viral disease was there was an attempt to break the world record for the largest potluck dinner which, following the legal post-SARS era requirement for a full-blown lockdown at the first hint of such, would have been scuppered.

    ² There were key figures in the Hubei government’s health services offices who wilfully slowed down the processing of reports on behalf of the potluck crew.

    ³ Oops. I accidentally detailed a different completely fucking idiotic conspiracy theory and how it grew and got accepted as truth by a bunch of fuckwits. Where by “accidentally” I meant “illustratively”.

    ⁴ Before you start spouting off about the Chinese government “lying”, it’s pretty fucking hard to lie in a way that would make me not notice friends, relatives, coworkers, and students suddenly not being there anymore. And by “pretty fucking hard” I mean “impossible”. If you try to go that route, I’ll just Nelson Muntz the fuck out of you.

  • ttmrichter@lemmy.worldtoAnarchism@lemmy.ml•Those still shielding from Covid have far less trust in government, research findsEnglish
    22·
    9 months ago

    “We were shut in on Oct. 14, and we had to do endless PCR tests, and after about 10 days, we had to wear N95 masks, and were given traditional Chinese medicine,” said Yuan.

    Whenever a positive or suspected case was found at a production line, there would be a public broadcast, but work would continue, he told Reuters.

    “People would be called away in the middle of work, and if they don’t show up the next day, that would mean they had been taken away,” Yuan said.

    Around 20,000 workers had been put in quarantine on-site, Yuan had heard, but he could not be sure how many were infected, as management did not publicise that information.

    You mean the Reuters report that contradicts itself within a few sentences? The Reuters report that passes on hearsay? That Reuters report?

    OK, when I say “source” I mean “actual data” not “lazy-assed fucking press presenting hearsay as fact”. Here’s a mental exercise for you. (I know it will hurt, but it’s good for you: as you use your brain more, it hurts less to use it.)

    Take that report and change the words identifying company and location to a different company in a different location. Say … Tesla and the USA. (I picked those two names for a reason, but you’re unlikely to pick up on why.) Would you believe the story then? Would you find the trivially observable flaws in the report?

    If not, well, this conversation is over because you can’t do even the basics of analysis required to do more than parrot the prevailing narrative. I’m not going to waste any more time on you. If, however, changing it Foxconn→Tesla and China→USA gives you a report that raises a host of alarm bells, you might want to ponder why you believed it in its original formulation.

    (Hint: the reason is obvious, and speaks very poorly of you.)

    Once you’ve gone through that, ask yourself the next question: even if the report weren’t internally inconsistent, reporting purely on hearsay of TWO PEOPLE, how representative is one factory in one city for a nation of ONE BILLION, THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE that’s GEOGRAPHICALLY LARGER THAN THE USA?

    Here’s a thought for you: fix your own fucking problems (a million dead of COVID-19 in the USA alone!) instead of trying to claim a country that handled it literally two orders of magnitude better than you did worse. The way the west handled COVID-19 was utterly fucking shameful, with whining shitheads complaining about haircuts while their fellow citizens died around them or got put on long term disability.

    Grow the fuck up. As a culture, I mean.