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I never made the claim she had DSD, I stated it’s ambiguous and no one knows, while you’re acting certain you know for sure. I put forward proof of this ambiguity while you put forward zero rebuttal and nonsensical questions like “do you watch female sports?”. You’re trying to avoid all accountability and intellectual dialogue. Have a good one

I didn’t respond to that question because its irrelevant. What does me watching female combat sports have to do with anything? (Nothing, its just an attempted jab at me) meanwhile you didn’t respond to all my claims, while mine are actually related to the argument.

But I’ll answer your question despite its purpose & irrelevance. My daughter is a wrestler and I’m a kick boxer & brazilian jujitsu artist, so yes I keep up on female sports because of my child & I have a general care for fighter safety because I’m empathetic, have personally seen people get hurt and I know how dangerous combat sports are. If you’re going to try to setup gotcha’s that’s exactly why I’ve ended the discussion.

As for IBA, I assume like most company’s they don’t publically release medical tests of their fighters. If they have a history of posting sex results then let me know. If they have a history and she consented for it to be shown, them also let me know. I would assume they either have a policy against showing it, or they didn’t acquire consent to show it, that’s a very reasonable answer but you won’t accept anything.

The same way you claim DSD can’t be argued, you can’t argued against the tests because you don’t have proof it was faked just circumstantial evidence because their “corrupt” and “fighter loss”, just like people on the opposite side have circumstantial evidence as well.

There is evidence, you may not feel like it’s clear enough to definitively determine DSD and that’s fair, neither do I, but the fact its ambiguous and no one will deny is enough that it’s not unreasonable to think.

You’re also being incredibly unfair in your analysis saying they “corrected” their statement from DSD to trans because of her origin country. That explanation makes no sense, you wouldn’t correct that statement unless there was something wrong with it. Correction implies you said something incorrect. Saying it’s not DSD is correct right? So what’s their to correct, only thing to say is adding additional information that she’s also not trans.

Amidst both allegations of DSD and trans, if you really want to clear the air you would dispell both, instead they tried to clear one then corrected it to the other as if their mutually exclusive?

You’re being absurd at this point. I respect your opinion but if you’re going to gaslight people into questioning things on reasonable grounds then you’re not at all genuine. Because you have your own opinions and political beliefs, you will overlook odd behavior, anomalies or coincidences and proclaim zero evidence which is why theirs no further discussion to be had.

No one here here is trying to prove anything about anyone, only that it’s not a baseless assumption and that we need answers on whether or not people with DSD are allowed to compete in female combat sports which they wont make clear. Anything beyond that is outside my scope, it’s a legitimate concern. Thank you and have a good day.

Well my comment was removed for “misinformation” by the moderators of this community, I can’t believe this app is just as bad as reddit on censorship. But I digress.

I’ll share what info I can, but the official IOC press statement stated “This is not a case of DSD” but quickly after they made a public announcement stating “what was intended to be said was this is not a transgender case”, saying the same message but with all instances of DSD replacing with trans, & they are not willing to comment on if DSD is involved.

If they are willing to disclose whether or not their trans, but not DSD, and also felt the need to publically clarify this small oversight that gets the same point across then chances are the fighter has DSD. No one will 100% know without their medical record, but between failed tests and the Olympics themselves alluding to it, theirs more than enough allusion to the fact that completely dismissing it is unreasonable, and the moderators of this community should honestly be ashamed of themselves for removing information they disagree with.

Misinformation isn’t something that isn’t 100% proven, but rather something that’s been 100% disproven, so they are incorrectly using this pejorative.

I’m new to this app & I’m politically homeless. I hate conservative and liberal propaganda / spinning of stories, but theirs no way to avoid it because humans are biased.

So what do I do? I follow both liberal and conservative news sources and engage with the people under the posts, since I can’t escape the spins I just get both of them and try to see both sides then determine what’s right.

Issue is on Lemmy (as someone who just joined) theirs literally no conservative place to join unlike Reddit. Like conservative communities here are anti-Trump and pro-Harris articles. I dislike reddit strongly so I have left, but Lemmy seems like an even worse place to get information because theirs no balance, theirs no diversity, communities trying to offer that are overrun and downvote bridaged.

Hopefully my experience gets better or I find some impartial communities. I really hate rhetoric and culture war issues, I just want to keep up to date on news and that’s it.

Because this a politicized topic no one uses common sense, they come in with preconceived notions and aim to find supporting facts for their predetermined opinions.

This issue is actually quite nuanced. The fighter has an intersex disorder which makes their sex ambiguous to anyone that doesn’t have access to their medical record, and she has been disqualified from competing in past events due to failing female tests, Olympics is one of the few places to allow her to compete.

I think calling an intersex person who claims to be a woman a man is wrong, even if they have psychical traits of a male (XY chromosome & higher testosterone).

However – in terms of competing, we segregate combat sports by sex for a reason, so if you have the physical advantages of a male you should not compete. It’s not a matter of just competitive integrity, but safety. Fighting is always dangerous, but men or anyone with the physiology of a male fighting women is extremely dangerous. In grappling maybe not, but in a combat sport with striking yes. We have to table our feelings and see that when determining if someone should compete.

But I think the rhetoric around the issue is gross. I don’t think theirs malice persay, rather the individual is intersex, has masculine traits and is really strong so people falsely presumed they were trans. It’s a reasonable assumption to make as being intersex is incredibly rare but nonetheless they should’ve verified this information before making public statements, as I try to do.