The irony of them “defending” US citizenship like it’s some holy sacrament reserved for the elite, while, in the process and because of all their actions, the country is imploding into the filthiest fucking piece of shit on the planet that no one will want to touch with a ten foot pole anyways… Get me the fuck out of here.

Everyone tells younger men the same thing it seems. I heard the same bullshit from the time I started talking about it (vasectomy) as a teen. 35 now and nothing has changed, living the dink life with my wife and it’s great. Boomer parents aren’t too thrilled with the idea of 0 grandkids between their two sons, but that’s not my job… Might have felt a little sorry for them if they didn’t vote the way they do… But it’s those choices that have led us to an environment that makes it too difficult to even consider bringing kids into, and it seems it’s only getting worse.

I share the sentiment and have always felt the same way since I started thinking about it (even as a kid myself). The idea of having kids never appealed to me, I don’t like being around them, never have, still don’t at 35. I have a handful of nephews/nieces from in-laws now and still don’t enjoy hanging around them even for short bursts of time… I don’t have the patience for the screaming, crying, breaking shit, tantrums, messes, etc.

It’s a 24/7 job for at least the next 20 years if you go through with it. Also, it’s expensive as fuck. I enjoy expendable income and free time.

This kind of touches on a different aspect of it all, but would you not be concerned with any level of government overreach in any of these places? I’m sure to some degree it’s propaganda/media biases we experience in the states, but the level of freedom your average citizen has certainly varies from one place to the next, North Korea obviously being one of the most extreme, while places like China seem to have some aspects that reflect a little more closely to what we know in the US… Where’s the happy medium?

Not sure if that’s clear, I guess what I might be getting at is, for example, the bill of rights in the US… We have some rights that most of these communist societies lack, no? Is it just a matter of being a bit of a trade-off? Is the grass really greener in China?

All that said, it’s not too far beyond my understanding that US citizens don’t truly have the level of freedom we’re told/sold, but still, there are some things that do make this country nice to live in.

(I don’t mean to come off as difficult here, I’m actually enjoying the discussion)

Guess it’s more a matter of ignorance on my part (also seems I’m out of my element here), I don’t know much about how current communist societies are living - do you have examples of what you’re talking about? You’ve piqued my interest, I’d like to see an example of housing in one of these situations and how they vary, what kind of amenities people are living with there, what it takes to achieve something similar to what I have here (3 bed 1ba SFH on a 5th acre)?

LA definitely got the Portland treatment. Interesting when they claim violence when the only violence to be seen stems from the fucking police and ICE.

The reality is we live in a capitalist society whether we like it or not (at least in the US - emigrating isn’t easy). Free housing would be the local shelter for the homeless… It’s there, but it’s a bare minimum most of us don’t want.

Your idealized expectation sounds nice, but a lot of houses and their lots wouldn’t look like what they do outside of a capitalist society… I wouldn’t have two spare bedrooms in my home for an office and guest room when I want to have family visit. I wouldn’t have a backyard for my dog to run around in… It’d be more like what you see in North Korea. No excess to spare (to some degree is a good thing, but I also believe one should be able to earn themselves nicer things should they decide to take on the extra work to do so).

Rather than have some assigned lesser unit to live in that’s paid for with my taxes, probably sharing walls with my neighbors, I think I’d rather put in the decade of renting I did while saving for the house I get to live in now.

Again, I’m not saying we have a perfect system, or even a great one… It’s fucked up in many ways, you’d have to have your head pretty far up your own ass to miss the amount of corruption that capitalism invites into our society (mostly stemming from money in politics), but there are also some good parts to it.

Maybe I’m the outlier here with this take?

What did he say? Not a landlord myself, but I’m always curious to hear both sides. I think there can be good landlords, had one myself… Didn’t raise rent on us, took care of the place when things went wrong, even offered to sell the place to us but we weren’t ready financially at the time…

Some people choose to rent instead of buying for the sake of not having to keep up with house maintenance, and in that case, the landlord I speak of, I’d argue was a good landlord. Win win for both parties. Not common, I know, but speaking in absolutes is rarely productive.